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re: How long until major college football is just openly a minor league?

Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:01 am to
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13134 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:01 am to
Emmitt Smith is a college graduate of an SEC school. While I am happy for his success in life, I don't for a second believe he could properly conjugate a verb without a prison trailer.

This has never been about "student athletes". Let's not pretend this is a recent thing.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:43 am to
Even in the early 1900s there were paid mercenaries who participated at various colleges on their football teams.

LSU had some.
There were players who played college and pro football at the same time a 100 years ago or so. I’ll try to find an article, but “there is nothing new under the sun.”

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“Athletes during the early and mid-1900’s were routinely recruited and paid to play; and there were several instances where individuals representing the schools were not enrolled as students. For example, there is one report of a Midwestern university using seven members of its team that included the town blacksmith, a lawyer, a livery man, and four railroad employees (5). Other athletes at colleges were given high paying jobs for which they did little or no work. ” LINK /
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Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12363 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:55 am to
Interesting thread and lots of solid opinions but one thing many aren't including in the conversation, the universities affiliated with major college football need the money those programs bring in and aren't going to be quick to give it up. That's where the problems truly begin.
Make it about the players and their greed but it all started with the universities and their greed. They negotiate th contracts with conferences and then tv networks. If they lose affiliation they lose millions and likely most of their sports programs. Outside of football, 90% of all other sports programs, including men's basketball, lose money. What would they do without their cash cow? So while blaming the kids and their greed, don't forget to give due credit to the liberal universities and their greed as well. Once again, the universities need football more than football needs the universities. That's just a fact. The NFL will make sure college/developmental football exists and succeeds. They and the tv networks depend on it. The schools are secondary to those folks with the money. In other words, the universities better get in where they fit in or risk losing it all. They can't afford that.
Posted by grsharky
Member since Dec 2019
176 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 7:28 am to
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It will be interesting. How many fans of weaker teams/conferences will still watch socalled college football.
Will younger fans of ACC teams continue to be football fans when their teams are not eligible for championships.


I think this is already happening in a way. I'm a WVU fan and alum, and while I still have season tickets and watch all of their games, I know they will never compete for a national title again. My interest in college football as a whole has really fallen off. Having young kids and getting older may be part of it, but I also feel it's the fact that it's not the sport I grew up with. As power becomes more concentrated I'll probably continue to lose interest.

College football was just different than any other sport, it was unique with great traditions and now what made it great is eroding. Saban had a quote recently about how years ago a team could go 10-2, win a good bowl and you were happy because you had a successful season. Now you'd be left out of the playoff and while you'd go to a "good" bowl, a lot of players would be transferring and opting out and it's a more hollow experience. Also the constant conference shuffling has a real negative impact on fanbases. I know this mainly an SEC board where the fans haven't had to worry about what will happen to their teams, but for a lot of schools around the country, the constant shuffling and worrying about who you will play just gets really old. I've seen it first hand at WVU, we've been dealing this since the ACC raid in 2003.

I was in school when Pat White, Steve Slaton, Owen Schmitt, and Pat MacAfee were on the team. Today they'd all leave for a better NIL deal somewhere else or you'd be so scared they'd leave it would be much less enjoyable. You'd see those guys on campus and would shoot the bull with them. Today the players for the most part take all online classes and spend all day at the facility. I know even back in the day most of these guys were playing school so to speak, but they still felt more like a part of the student body and there was a connection with students and fans. Now they're around for a bit without ever really being part of the school and they move on. It is what it is, but it's part of the shift we've all seen.

Change is inevitable, we all know that, but so much seismic activity in a short time can very detrimental to the sport. I always comeback to NASCAR, they were flying high and then changed everything so quickly that it killed the sport. It didn't happen overnight, they still had record ratings when the changes started but soon the crowds and ratings melted away. If CFB becomes a real minor league, it won't die but it will see a negative impact.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4296 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 7:56 am to
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How long until major college football is just openly a minor league?

Don’t change anything. No minor league system needed. The players have to be students but can make money through NIL. And if some oil tycoon in Texas wants to use the system to buy a roster, so be it. The richest schools with the most resources that have been winning are going to keep winning, with or without NIL and the portal.

The only issue is that you guys are going to have to get over the prior illusion that any of the players, coaches, analysts, etc., are at Bama, LSU, Ohio State (or wherever) to charge down the guns for the school they attend or work for.

Every difference maker at the football facility is there to make money and/or advance their career. The school is only a tool or vehicle.

I don’t think the fans are bothered by players making money. They just want the players, whether they are broke or millionaires, to love the school like they do. Well, they don’t, so get over it. No one loves a fricking school as much as they do money and the opportunity to improve their quality of life, potentially for decades and for their descendants for generations.

It’s Tommy Touchdown’s job to make the most of his opportunities and ensure he’s in a good place in 30 years because none of the fans are going to be helping out with the bills if he’s broke. “Hey, nice touchdown catch against Florida in 2005” isn’t doing much for Tyrone Prothro and his lost NFL career.

Do what’s best for YOU! The fans aren’t cheering for you anyway. They’re cheering for the uniform.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
1711 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:00 am to
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Every difference maker at the football facility is there to make money and/or advance their career. The school is only a tool or vehicle. I don’t think the fans are bothered by players making money. They just want the players, whether they are broke or millionaires, to love the school like they do. Well, they don’t, so get over it.


Post of the millennium.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83341 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:07 am to
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There's no reason to force these dudes to be in school to begin with. A guy doesn't want to be in class and only wants to play football shouldn't be forced to take college chemistry to play football.
Why do you believe this? If you don’t want to be in class don’t play football for a school.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
1364 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:12 am to
The XFL/USFL should be actively jumping on these high school kids.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47441 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:32 am to
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The XFL/USFL should be actively jumping on these high school kids.


They can’t compete financially
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29089 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 9:50 am to
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They can’t compete financially


What’s to stop major college football from having that advantage if it just becomes another minor league?
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
6683 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 11:02 am to
Always has been a minor league for pro football.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47441 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 12:05 pm to
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What’s to stop major college football from having that advantage if it just becomes another minor league?


Major college football has their infrastructure in place… stadiums, weight rooms, etc.

USFL and XFL already lose a shite ton and even the crappiest NIL deals are more than they can afford
Posted by Tim Gambill
Member since Nov 2023
336 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 2:53 pm to
It already is. They are paid professional athletes.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
5020 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 4:27 pm to
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Why do you believe this? If you don’t want to be in class don’t play football for a school.


Because the path for 99% of people to the NFL is to play at a college for three years so you can train, get coached, compete, and show off. There is no feasible alternative, so for an extreme majority of players if you want to play professional football then you have to attend school for a few years.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
16399 posts
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:05 pm to
I’m on record as saying commissioner Saban is seating January of 27
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29089 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:31 am to
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Major college football has their infrastructure in place… stadiums, weight rooms, etc.


Which is all geared toward a university’s football program as opposed to a program “affiliated” with a school.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29089 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:32 am to
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There is no feasible alternative, so for an extreme majority of players if you want to play professional football then you have to attend school for a few years.


Hence where we are today.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47441 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:54 am to
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Which is all geared toward a university’s football program as opposed to a program “affiliated” with a school.


If the TV money isn’t there, they can’t pay for any of it
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