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How long do these Super Conferences last once teams start struggling?

Posted on 8/5/23 at 8:54 am
Posted by HangmanPage1
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 8/5/23 at 8:54 am
Once Oklahoma or Texas routinely go 8-4/7-5/6-6 for several seasons? Or once USC or Washington or Oregon become mediocre again? What about Florida St or Clemson joining the SEC and becoming mid-tier?

Do these schools ignore on the field success or lack thereof for that paycheck? Does it hurt them more if their attendance falls because no one comes watch them if they suck?

All these national powers in a 18/20 team conference, there are gonna be a lot of mediocre records. Do they fall apart and restore the regional conferences?

I can’t see these super conferences lasting more than a decade.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69606 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 8:57 am to
People will choose money over success.

It is only a matter of time before conferences start pushing teams out.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51560 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 8:58 am to
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Texas routinely go 8-4/7-5/6-6


Doesn't matter. Texas has been mediocre since 09, yet they're arguably the biggest brand in CFB
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31910 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:01 am to
People have been saying it for a decade now and it seems to be coming to fruition.

We are heading towards basically having 2 conferences in college football like the pros (think NFC and AFC). They’ll only play teams in those conferences, then they’ll be a playoff based on how they finish, just like the pros.

The teams that aren’t in those conferences will be on the outside looking in, maybe they can create their own system, or maybe they’ll just play in whatever bowl games still exist.


What sucks about this is it’s going to murder other college sports. Football will be different but it will be fine, I don’t see how smaller sports that don’t create revenue are going to survive this with all the travel and craziness of schedules now.

What’s the appeal of being a D1 water polo player or cross country runner with no shot at the pros or Olympics now? You basically have a professional athletes schedule with none of the money or benefits while trying to do well in school to get a job once you graduate, plus sacrificing any social life you may have had.

Why would you do it?
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:03 am to
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Do these schools ignore on the field success or lack thereof for that paycheck?


Yes, Arkansas has been doing it for 30 years.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47562 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:31 am to
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Once Oklahoma or Texas routinely go 8-4/7-5/6-6 for several seasons?


You’re thinking of the old paradigm with FCS games and rent a wins… if teams are going 8-4 playing just other teams who are also getting big TV money and having half their games at home and half on the road (unlike an 8/4 split), that’s pretty impressive

We have these conferences because no one other than their fans wanted to watch the games that are heavily tilted in favor of such powerhouses
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
17015 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:48 am to
The 2 Super-conferences will leave the NCAA in a year or two.

And have their own playoffs and championships in each sport.

The College World Series, March Madness, and this new football playoff will all die, as they will be meaningless.

The ACC will die as well when these 2 abandon the NCAA and the desirable schools will be split between the 2 Super-conferences.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
8136 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:55 am to
One thing to remember is the way SEC will be viewed once 2024 rolls around. With a 12 team playoff more teams will make it in from the best conference. What was once a 1 or sometimes 2 loss playoff SEC team will now be a 2 or 3 loss SEC team in playoffs. Due to strength of conf there will be more losses allowed by teams from SEC to make playoffs. So the way we all view records will change.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6211 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:00 am to
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It is only a matter of time before conferences start pushing teams out.


Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Mississippi State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Rutgers
Washington State

Clock is ticking
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69606 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:06 am to
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Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Mississippi State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Rutgers
Washington State

Clock is ticking


I think the clock exploded last night for the bolder above
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
1989 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:07 am to
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Vanderbilt
Wake Forest
Mississippi State
Kansas State
Iowa State
Rutgers
Washington State

Clock is ticking


I just don't understand. Having a small private school like Vanderbilt, or having a road trip to Starkville Mississippi, is what makes college football unique and exciting. It's the tradition, of those schools having been in the SEC (for instance) since almost the very beginning and continuing to play alongside Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc. year after year.

Or USC going to Pulman and playing in the snow. Texas going to Ames, Iowa. Ohio State going to play Northwestern at their tiny stadium. It's just what makes college football special.

In 20 years, people are going to look back at THIS week as a tipping point and wonder what the hell that we were doing.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16035 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:08 am to
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What was once a 1 or sometimes 2 loss playoff SEC team will now be a 2 or 3 loss SEC team in playoffs. Due to strength of conf there will be more losses allowed by teams from SEC to make playoffs. So the way we all view records will change
this right here it’ll be just like the pros in that an 8-4/9-3 season will be considered a great year, and you could potentially see 3/4 loss teams winning the national championship
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14504 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:08 am to
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What sucks about this is it’s going to murder other college sports. Football will be different but it will be fine, I don’t see how smaller sports that don’t create revenue are going to survive this with all the travel and craziness of schedules now.

I think College Football splitting from the NCAA is rapidly approaching. Once football separates, I think the regional based conferences will make a return. It will have to in order to keep travel costs down. How non-football NCAA teams will be funded without college football revenue? No clue.
Posted by Bags of Milk
The Sunny Beaches of Canada
Member since Feb 2013
3322 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:11 am to
I think the Super Conferences can survive if they go back to regional divisions - basically a bastardized version of what we had before, but with divisions instead of conferences

Big Ten West
Washington
Oregon
USC
UCLA
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois

East
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
NWstern

Division winners play in the Rose Bowl etc.

I think ultimately going to a schedule with 3 or 4 permanent opponents will ultimately fail as the familiarity won’t be there so the contempt won’t be there
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
6871 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:16 am to
quote:

The 2 Super-conferences will leave the NCAA in a year or two.

And have their own playoffs and championships in each sport.

The College World Series, March Madness, and this new football playoff will all die, as they will be meaningless.

The ACC will die as well when these 2 abandon the NCAA and the desirable schools will be split between the 2 Super-conferences.


My guess is the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12 do a partial breakaway for football and basketball. March madness is a cash cow that the NCAA runs and profits from (unlike the current football model). Those 3 conferences will, at some point, push the NCAA out of March Madness to get that profit.
Posted by SA4LSU
AZ
Member since Sep 2005
4056 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:19 am to
Tiger 1242 I think you hit the mail on the head it’s been my long belief we are headed to an nfl type afc nfc scenario. Hell why not, the players are more like pros now getting paid. The thing I did not think about was those non revenue driving sports. Amateur and student athlete are terms that seem to be diminishing by the day, it’s sad, but so is society as a whole but I digress…
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94475 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:20 am to
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Texas going to Ames, Iowa.



Oklahoma State going to Ames changed the national title in 2011. That 1 game knocked them out and gave Alabama a title.


College football is unique in that any given Saturday, a good team might get got by that underperforming conference mate and a bad loss can change the season.

I hate the idea of shifting to a NFL style landscape where the losses don't matter. A team might go 8-4 but hey they're angling for that wild card slot in the playoff. Yuck.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8564 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:51 am to
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Big Ten West
Washington
Oregon
USC
UCLA
Iowa
Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois


This is why this sucks and crap has gotten out of hand. As an Iowa fan, we didn't sign up to be in the PAC. Screw them. I'd be fine getting rid of all this and going back to tight regional conferences. I don't care about the money. As a fan, what does it matter to me how much money the school makes? I'm just here to watch a game against a hated rival or interesting matchup. Not...this.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16172 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:59 am to
It's hard to say.

I was initially excited about all the realignment chaos but I'm starting to second guess it. It's going too far too fast (same as NIL). I think it's going to hurt the essence of college football.

I think the pendulum will swing back eventually or D1 will simply condense to 40 or so teams, with the rest creating another division. It'll truly be NFL lite.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
1380 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 7:52 pm to
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It's hard to say. I was initially excited about all the realignment chaos but I'm starting to second guess it. It's going too far too fast (same as NIL). I think it's going to hurt the essence of college football. I think the pendulum will swing back eventually or D1 will simply condense to 40 or so teams, with the rest creating another division. It'll truly be NFL lite.
Im finding myself at 35 and having always preferred college football to NFL, swinging to being more of a pro football fan as a whole. There isn’t all this crazy conference or ranking systems and the general foundation isn’t changing drastically. Kids are playing at 4 or 5 colleges in their eligibility timelines. It’s outrageous. It’s not the same.
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