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re: How hard is it to get a good career in sports?

Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by Cool Brigade
Member since Jan 2018
195 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:27 pm to
I guess people can work at the Ymca in the sports department, starting pay is 28k
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73543 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:30 pm to
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I'm surprised you had so much trouble. There's openings every year working in Athletic departments at different universities. Granted you have to have a certain amount of experience depending on the position, but you still should of had a shot.

There's very few openings at any given time and tons of people applying for them. And they barely pay a livable salary. For instance, my buddy who got a job at Michigan was paid like 20-25k/year and was set up to live in a spare bedroom of someone else who worked in the ADs office. He moved from Nashville to Ann Arbor for that. It worked out for him eventually, but it was a long road of making no money and working shitty hours. Then, when he was in line for a promotion after a spot opened, they told him they had to interview him out of a formality requirement but it was his if he wanted.....they hired someone from outside the AD. So, while there may be "openings", they're still not easy to get nor do a lot of them pay enough for someone to be willing to relocate across the country.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17588 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:33 pm to
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i would only want to do what the Rock does on ballers


Well in that case
1. Go play football at the University of Miami
2. Attempt to try out for the NFL, but instead get cut
3. Learn to wrestle
4. Become heavy weight champion of the world multiple times
5. Leave wrestling to act full time
6. Become 400 pounds of pure muscle
7. ???
8. Profit
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20907 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:33 pm to
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How does coaching and rising up the ranks work? How did Belechick get to where hes at?


If you're serious and don't have NFL or collegiate experience...

Get a teaching degree or certification. Apply to every teaching opening everywhere and make it clear up front in your cover letter that you are interested in coaching. Let's say football.

You'll get hired somewhere. Probably have multiple offers. You'll start with 9th grade football.

Become an expert in what the head coach and the varsity coaches are doing. Both sides of the ball. Be able to converse with them on a peer-to-peer level but show the absolute respect to their positions.

Get there at 6am and leave at 9pm. Even in the off season. Watch film. Ask questions. Get to know your players.

Attend every conference and convention you can possibly afford and find the time for. Watch online videos. Enroll in courses. Read books on leadership, management, and success.

Be a successful teacher.

Hopefully you get pulled up to the varsity level within a year or two. If not, look for smaller high schools that need varsity coaches and apply.

Succeed at the next level.

At those conference and conventions, find coaches that are coaching at the college level. They are part of a very extensive network. Meet them. Express interest in coaching college. When I was coaching - before his stint at Auburn - I got to know Tony Franklin at his clinics. He hooked me up with 9 GA openings. They were small schools. Not SEC schools, but openings. I could have gotten a master's degree, college coaching/management/analyst experience, and recommendations from college coaches. I didn't go through with it, but that was the path.

From there, you apply to job openings. DIII schools. Maybe high school coordinator positions. Succeed at each job you get. That's the hard part about coaching. You can be a good coach, but you have to have the numbers and the wins to prove it. Which means you need to really connect with your players.

From there it's just winning and establishing yourself as a figurehead in the sport. See where it goes. But honestly, even if you stop there, you're what? 30? 35? Making $100k+ to coach at a large high school or small college?

That's a "good career" as you put it in your OP.
Posted by Cool Brigade
Member since Jan 2018
195 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:35 pm to
well im screwed fro the get go. i was never given a chance to play football, but I also have asian genes. also my HS didnt have football.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17588 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:43 pm to
I was going to say getting into the NFL is likely dang near impossible. But getting into coaching at the high school level isn't that tough. There's tons of crap schools always hiring folks with no type of experience.

Getting into college level is tougher, but not impossible. Find a GA position at a school somewhere and get to work. Working d1 will be tough as hell if you're not an alumni. But smaller schools such as D3 or even NAIA much easier to break into
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20907 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:45 pm to
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Working d1 will be tough as hell if you're not an alumni. But smaller schools such as D3 or even NAIA much easier to break into


Right. And what is a FBS job if not the pinnacle of a career? You probably won't get to coach at an SEC school, but Central Florida? Western Michigan? San Diego St? Those are the "upper management" jobs the guys in white shirts and ties are striving for. You don't get those until you have a long track record of success and are in your late 40s.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12156 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 1:59 pm to
If I remember correctly, Belichek's dad was a coach. And he's been around it his whole life. He coached LB's, then was a DC.
And he works harder than you'd ever want to.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8645 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:14 pm to
I know a few guys who have landed front office-type positions in the pros and/or operations positions at major D1 programs without any true higher level athletic experience, but they were:

- brilliant
- extremely driven
- innovative

Guys like Jeff Luhnow and Theo Epstein (and DePodesta, to an extent) have somewhat broken the old mold of connections/former players/network, but you have to really stand out.
Posted by EyeOfTheTiger311
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2005
4595 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

I'm surprised you had so much trouble. There's openings every year working in Athletic departments at different universities. Granted you have to have a certain amount of experience depending on the position, but you still should of had a shot.



Yea I was surprised too. I worked my arse off for LSU for a long time and was disappointed with the opportunities (or lack thereof). It also didn't help that state universities were undergoing massive budget cuts at the time I got out of school.
Posted by Cool Brigade
Member since Jan 2018
195 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:21 pm to
What about Skip bayless?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:29 pm to
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I have been watching ballers and this makes me want to work in sports. most guys I know love sports and are always commenting on it. But it must be competitive. Sports has more nepotism than Hollywood.


Guy's a troll.

Why the hell wouldn't you ask someone actually in the business if you were serious? No one serious would ask a bunch of randoms on TD.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116180 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:29 pm to
Skip was a newspaper writer in Dallas for a long time

Only time he gained any traction in his career was when he pissed off Aikmen or Jerry Jones, so eventually he made the turn to TV and found out he can use that same trolling strategy he used when he covered the cowboys and turned it into a national brand and sold his idiocy to a lower intelligent audience that buy into it. And he cashed out when ESPN exec moved to FS1 and backed up the brinks truck for him


The key to pretty much every sports figure is a lot of work, a ton of luck, and knowing the right people
Posted by Cool Brigade
Member since Jan 2018
195 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:31 pm to
Do you think I know people working in sports? i cant even get hired at a smoothie king
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116180 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:31 pm to
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Do you think I know people working in sports? i cant even get hired at a smoothie king


You came on too strong on this one. Look up subtle in the dictionary
Posted by EyeOfTheTiger311
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2005
4595 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

What about Skip bayless?



I know you are trolling, but I'll play along.

Skip Bayless has an incredible resume. He started from the bottom and worked his way through the ranks over many years. His persona on-air is a "schtick" to get views and clicks, nothing more. He is very accredited as a journalist.
Posted by Cool Brigade
Member since Jan 2018
195 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:34 pm to
im not troling, im in wonder how bayless and stepen A get so much money
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116180 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:38 pm to
Supply and demand. Same as any business
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73543 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:40 pm to
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im not troling, im in wonder how bayless and stepen A get so much money



they were journalists for decades for various newspapers before mass media created a niche for hot take sports television shows.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
14184 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 2:40 pm to
the OP:




George: I like sports. I could do something in sports.
Jerry: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. In what capacity?
George: You know, like the general manager of a baseball team or something.
Jerry: Yeah. Well, that - that could be tough to get.
George: Well, it doesn't even have to be the general manager. Maybe I could be like, an announcer. Like a colour man. You know how I always make those interesting comments during the game.
Jerry: Yeah. Yeah. You make good comments.
George: What about that?
Jerry: Well, they tend to give those jobs to ex-ballplayers and people that are, you know, in broadcasting.
George: Well, that's really not fair.
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