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re: How exactly was the 80-90s NBA better than current? Talent wise
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:09 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:09 pm to Buckeye06
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Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Big O are all greater than him. For his career Kidd, as of now is better than him. In 5 years, he'll be top 5, but not right now
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:11 pm to stout
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Where would you rank him just at his position?
I personally have him in the 5-9 slots with Payton, Cousy, Kidd and Nash probably. I think he's behind Stockton, Magic, Big O and Thomas for sure right now
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:11 pm to dukke v
Hmmmm.....
where would you put Kidd all-time, Peej?
where would you put Kidd all-time, Peej?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye06
It's going to take a lot to knock out that top 4.
Think about a guy like Magic at 6'9" running PG and running the floor like he did. I don't think anyone will ever match it and he still had a few years left if it wasn't for the HIV. He was only 32 when he retired the first time and 31 when he played his last game that season.
Think about a guy like Magic at 6'9" running PG and running the floor like he did. I don't think anyone will ever match it and he still had a few years left if it wasn't for the HIV. He was only 32 when he retired the first time and 31 when he played his last game that season.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:15 pm to Buckeye06
people forget jerry west for some reason. he was a combo guard who filled the role of shooting guard or point guard and will probably be under-valued for his athleticism even though he was a better jumper than CP3. Oh yeah, and one of the best scorers in big games (or regular season) to ever play the game.
I suppose people will argue about his position like they will (in some ways) with duncan and lebron though
I suppose people will argue about his position like they will (in some ways) with duncan and lebron though
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:19 pm to Buckeye06
quote:When his career is over it will be magic, big o, then cp3. I think he is just overall better than Stockton.
Magic, Stockton, Thomas, Big O are all greater than him. For his career Kidd, as of now is better than him. In 5 years, he'll be top 5, but not right now
Eta: The reason the back in the day argument exists is because we compare them to current players who aren't done
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:25 pm to lsupride87
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Eta: The reason the back in the day argument exists is because we compare them to current players who aren't done
But CP3 hasn't done enough imo to make that determination. Lebron has, Duncan has, Shaq has, Kobe has, the other guys you had from the 2000s. Kidd is probably the "PG for the 2000s." If CP3 does it for another 5 years and is the best at his position, he'll be right there.
And I personally remember stockton running with Malone as a thing of beauty. You knew it was coming and had no answers
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:30 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Cp3 has made Blake griffin look all star worthy. Also, look at how Cp3 ran the point at the Olympics in 08. Made Kidd look like he didnt belong
And I personally remember stockton running with Malone as a thing of beauty. You knew it was coming and had no answers
Posted on 6/21/13 at 12:33 pm to lsupride87
quote:Kidd had already played 14 NBA seasons at that point. He was past his prime while CP3 was entering his.
Also, look at how Cp3 ran the point at the Olympics in 08. Made Kidd look like he didnt belong
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:27 pm to Prominentwon
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I would LOVE to see what kind of offensive player he would have been against guys like Lambeer.
This is about one of dumbest statements I've read on this site. Seriously, how old are you? If you were old enough actually able to have watched any of the games in this area, you would know players like Jordan & Dominique Wilkins still got theirs against these so called great physical defenses.
I respect Kevin McCale's game as any true basketball fan would but to say he or Bill Lambeer would shut down Lebron is ridiculous. Dominique gave these guys hell yet they would stop Lebron?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:36 pm to BigBrod81
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I respect Kevin McCale's game as any true basketball fan would but to say he or Bill Lambeer would shut down Lebron is ridiculous. Dominique gave these guys hell yet they would stop Lebron?
I think my biggest gripe against lebron is how he seems mentally weak some games. I think Rodman would have gotten under his skin by the end of the first quarter of a 7 game series. LBJ would get his points etc, but would he mentally be able to deal with a guy like the worm for 7 games
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:39 pm to Prominentwon
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I would LOVE to see what kind of offensive player he would have been against guys like Lambeer.
Hmmmm...LeBron has better footwork, better ball skills, and about 40 lbs on Laimbeer.
Get this shite out of here.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:54 pm to Buckeye06
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I think my biggest gripe against lebron is how he seems mentally weak some games.
People keep saying this but this is not the case. Lebron is set in his belief of making the right basketball play or making sure he keeps his teammates involved every offensive possession. Some see people mistake that for being weak or scared but that just isn't the case.
People want to see him takeover games during short periods ala Jordan but that's not his game. He believes in running the plays called & executing them to the fullest.
James played the iso style game in Cleveland & it ultimately accomplished nothing for him or his team. He's sold on team play & doesn't care about what people say. He's stuck to playing "his" game & doing things his way. Nobody can really argue with this logic because of the results the last few seasons.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:39 pm to BigBrod81
To whoever said hand-checking was eliminated in 2005, Norm van Lier and Jerry Sloan were basically driven from the league in the 70's, by the no-hand-check rule. Among others.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:51 pm to stout
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I am not bing a homer but you can look up defensive stats from guys like Jordan, Dumars, Payton, Mutumbo, Stockton, Kareem. I could go on.
Some of the best defensive players ever and they were from that era.
That's not to discredit the good defensive players of today because there are plenty but to say D wasn't played then is idiotic.
Defense was completely non-existent in the 80s. You simply haven't watch a game if you think otherwise
In 87 the last ranked offense was the New York Knicks who averaged 104 ppg. In 2013 only 3 teams in the NBA scored more than 104 ppg
and FYI Gary Payton and Mutombo were drafted in 90 and 91.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:53 pm to lsupride87
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Cp3 has made Blake griffin look all star worthy
Is that why Blake was an All Star his rookie year with out Paul?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:54 pm to Buckeye06
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But CP3 hasn't done enough imo to make that determination.
huh? he's had some absolutely amazing seasons as a pg already. he's in his prime(ish)
we can compare his best to their best. why do we have to wait for his career to end to judge?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:56 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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McHale is a great player, so I don't want to shite on him. I'm just saying he doesn't match up with Lebron James physically.
Oh yeah,there's no way McHale keeps up with Lebron.I think Barkley was referring to his low post moves that were unstoppable.He had very long arms that served him well rebounding and on defense.Nobody,even now,matches up equally with Lebron.He's a freak of nature.Speed,height,size,jumping ability.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:14 pm to VermilionTiger
There was better parity for one. The Bulls, Pistons, Knicks, Lakers, Suns, Spurs, Sonics, Pacers, Celtics, Rockets, just off the top of my head, were all really good teams. The Jazz too.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:14 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:Sorry, he has actually made Blake Griffin a decent offensive player. Before he got there it was just dunks. Now it's dunks and alley oops
Is that why Blake was an All Star his rookie year with out Paul?
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