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re: How Donaghy fixed NBA games
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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A big one, especially in basketball.
I agree that refs are capable of influencing the games and it can change the outcome, especially in basketball. Foul calls are such a judgement call and called so frequently, that it is easy to hide the influence of the ref. Refs can do the same thing with holding and pass interference calls in the NFL, but I think it is more difficult to hide if you are blatant about it.
It was a long time ago, but I still remember some terrible calls when the Kings played the Lakers in the early 2000s. The Kings were a hot team that looked like they were going to pull off an upset, but a couple of terrible calls and it all turned around in the Western Conference Finals.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:04 pm to Boomshockalocka
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No this comes from me saying a call in the third quarter doesn’t determine the outcome of the game
And you're wrong there too.
Rockets up by 6 in the third and "Donaghy" makes a phantom call on HardLn to give him a fifth foul.
You're trying to tell me that wouldn't affect the outcome?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:10 pm to GeauxAggie972
It would yes but not more than the players. The players themselves always have more of an impact on the results than the refs. saying we only lost bc of the refs is the issue. I never said calls don’t have an impact, they just pale on comparison to the actual players impact on the results. That’s why we don’t go there.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:12 pm to Allthatfades
What ever happened to Jack Concannon? I can't imagine he was very happy when Donaghy told him that he could no longer place bets with him.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
I see how your argument could hold water in most cases, make a few more plays and a couple of bad calls wouldn’t matter...
But this thread is about a guy who was convicted and served time in prison for fixing the outcome of games.
But this thread is about a guy who was convicted and served time in prison for fixing the outcome of games.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:13 pm to CivilTiger83
Some say this screw job was worse than that Sacramento one. But do we blame the refs? Nah not once, I’m not that kinda guy. GSW was just better that day.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:41 pm to Boomshockalocka
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I never said disadvantage numb skull.
I said the refs are never the only reason a team lost. You can never blame a game entirely on the refs.
Boom gonna die a thousand deaths on this hill
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:46 pm to Boomshockalocka
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It would yes but not more than the players. The players themselves always have more of an impact on the results than the refs. saying we only lost bc of the refs is the issue. I never said calls don’t have an impact, they just pale on comparison to the actual players impact on the results. That’s why we don’t go there.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:48 pm to Boomshockalocka
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I’m not that kinda guy.
Something about dinner & yadda, yadda, yadda.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 4:51 pm to BigBrod81
I can't see ANY of the pictures or gifs you're posting
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
It's showing for me. 
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:07 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I can't see ANY of the pictures or gifs you're posting
Works for me.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:10 pm to Boomshockalocka
no one put a gun to football players to play and no one put a gun to my head to watch.
why can't I sue for the NFC championship game causing my heart to enlarge though high blood pressure and shortening my lifespan and weakening my sex life.
Just like its stupid for me to sue for that, it is stupid that the players were able to sue for CTE
why can't I sue for the NFC championship game causing my heart to enlarge though high blood pressure and shortening my lifespan and weakening my sex life.
Just like its stupid for me to sue for that, it is stupid that the players were able to sue for CTE
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:16 pm to Hoops
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What’s worse blaming refs or blaming a strip club trip that’s called a concussion?
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I vacation probably monthly. Sometimes 2x a month. Not ashamed to say I got it better than you bro. When I’m on vacation no I don’t watch hoop. I ain’t see but maybe 5 CC games this year. So you gotta go somewhere else for analysis if you want it.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:22 pm to BigBrod81
Now I am looking at the article and it saying the guy won 60-70% of his bets when donaghy reffed. So that’s even worse. And backs B up even more that even when a ref is deliberately picking a side his impact is minimal compared to the players.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:33 pm to Allthatfades
Its a wonder that this guy is still alive and no one has whacked him yet.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:42 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Donaghy zigzagging across the country, in and out of NBA arenas, making his picks to Martino over those cheap bodega burner phones, but not always, because sometimes they'd forget and use their own regular phones, because who cared? -- wins and wins and wins and wins, his picks almost 100 percent wins.
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Money now pouring into games Donaghy is refereeing, the lines during trading sessions swinging violently, like stocks beset by takeover rumors-widening and narrowing by 1.5, 3, 4.5, even 5 points, unheard of in the NBA except in the case of significant player injuries
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Donaghy on March 14 in Indianapolis calling four straight fouls in the fourth against the underdog Pacers when they were losing by six to the visiting Wizards. Favored by 6, the visiting Wizards covering
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Donaghy said that he'd often pick on the big center or most valuable player of each team, per one gambler who once confronted the ref. The gambler added, "He also told me they were betting millions and he was an idiot not to ask for more."
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"By six points either way. That's what he told me.
"Tommy Martino on how much Donaghy said he could influence an NBA game
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Donaghy favored the side that attracted more betting dollars in 23 of those 30 competitive games, or 77 percent of the time. In four games, he called the game neutrally, 50-50. The number of games in which Tim Donaghy favored the team that attracted fewer betting dollars? Three.
In other words, Donaghy's track record of making calls that favored his bet was 23-3-4.
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When presented with that data, ESPN statisticians crunched the numbers and revealed: The odds that Tim Donaghy would have randomly made calls that produced that imbalance are 6,155-to-1.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:43 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Now I am looking at the article and it saying the guy won 60-70% of his bets when donaghy reffed. So that’s even worse. And backs B up even more that even when a ref is deliberately picking a side his impact is minimal compared to the players.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:47 pm to BigBrod81
Hmmm.
Looks like it's on my end.
Looks like it's on my end.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 5:51 pm to BigBrod81
leak. Whether Donaghy was using his whistle to fix games was beside the point. When Donaghy reffed and Concannon bet, the side he bet was covering the spread between 60 and 70 percent of the time.
Come on Bubba I can play the game too. So disregard the built in 50% of games that would go his way. He was maybe changing the result out of one or two games outta every ten.
Instead of 5-5. He would go 6-4 or 7-3.
And that’s not the point anyway. The point is even with his shenanigans the players could have made plays to render his calls useless. Care to post a box score for one of those games for me to point out 5 or 10 out of the 50 missed shots and turnovers that the losing team had? Or do we focus on the one of two calls and not the missed shots and turnovers. Defensive lapses. Etx etx.
Come on Bubba I can play the game too. So disregard the built in 50% of games that would go his way. He was maybe changing the result out of one or two games outta every ten.
Instead of 5-5. He would go 6-4 or 7-3.
And that’s not the point anyway. The point is even with his shenanigans the players could have made plays to render his calls useless. Care to post a box score for one of those games for me to point out 5 or 10 out of the 50 missed shots and turnovers that the losing team had? Or do we focus on the one of two calls and not the missed shots and turnovers. Defensive lapses. Etx etx.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 5:58 pm
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