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re: How Donaghy fixed NBA games
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:50 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:50 pm to Boomshockalocka
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You don’t have to complain about the refs every game that you lose.
This is an exageration imho. You obviously weren't on the rant after most LSU losses. I can promise you...Coach O or CLM were prime targets...not the refs. Sooooooo...
IMHO, refs were a factor in:
- the A n M game
- the NFC championship
- the Cowboys game
- two of the Bama games under Miles
- one Bama game under O
- 2006 Auburn
- 1979 USC
There may be a handful of others, but CLEARLY not every game. My take, arguing against the instances listed does not compute.
Just my .02
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:51 pm to Scruffy
It isn’t acceptable. But me personally I have always had the mentality that I won’t blame the refs. That the players could have done something to win the game regardless of a bad call. I’m not looking to blame someone else first and foremost like so many others.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:53 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:According to your mindset, it is perfectly acceptable.
It isn’t acceptable.
It has zero impact apparently and if teams are good enough, they should be able to beat the other teams and the refs.
quote:So, it is perfectly acceptable for refs to try and fix games.
But me personally I have always had the mentality that I won’t blame the refs. That the players could have done something to win the game regardless of a bad call. I’m not looking to blame someone else first and foremost like so many others.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:54 pm to Boomshockalocka
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It isn’t acceptable. But me personally I have always had the mentality that I won’t blame the refs.
Okay.
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That the players could have done something to win the game regardless of a bad call.
Defense could have made a stop. Yup. Agreed.
But offense couldn't do anything about a blatant DPI or roughing the passer in OT or the one in 4th quarter. They make those calls and saints had a 95+% win.
Refs have a very able hand to control a game. If a game was 100-99, game 7 of wcf, and harden goes up for a layup to get smashed by Demarcus cousins and doesn't get a call... You gonna say we'll he could have made a shot earlier? That'd be stupid to say otherwise.
I agree. Using refs as an excuse is stupid, but there are some calls/no calls that are absolutely horrendous and definitely alter outcomes.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:57 pm to Boomshockalocka
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You want to get paid, you gotta cover the spread, Battista had told Donaghy. But Battista never used the word "fix." Or "influence" or "manipulate" or in any way discussed the mechanics of fixing.
"There wasn't no need to," Battista has told friends. The whole thing had been merely insinuated, a matter of strong innuendo. "The only mechanics, he had in his hand. He had the fricking whistle."
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According to a court document, Donaghy and Concannon placed their first bet on a game Donaghy was refereeing in March 2003 -- more than four years and four NBA seasons before he was caught.
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"If you looked at the stats," said one gambler in The Office at the time, "you could see he was calling more fouls on the team he bet against and less fouls on the team he bet on. That was obvious."
Said another: "Did I assume he was fixing the games? Yeah, I did. But I didn't give a shite, because it was great information. From 2003 to 2007, we didn't miss a game. Any game that he reffed we had a wager on."
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Normally this meant making a few "head fake" bets. If you think the Celtics are the side that's likely to cover, then you go to market as early in the trading session as possible and put some money on Philly. Do it right and you can drive down the price of Boston. Then later in the day, with the price right, you gobble up all the Boston you can. According to Martino and Battista, after such wagering was complete, Battista, via Martino, would then inform Donaghy of the spread he needed to cover.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:58 pm to Scruffy
I never said it had zero impact of even implied it Bubba.
When I was a young lad playing little league baseball there was a coach who every time his kids team would lose he would want to file a protest and blame the umps. Even as a youngster I was embarrassed for him. Embarrassed for my buds that were on that team. I told myself I wouldn’t ever blame the refs when my squad loses. I don’t think I have done it since then. I always look at my self or my squad. What could we have done to change the outcome. Prior to going to the ultimate cop out as placing all the blame on the officials.
When I was a young lad playing little league baseball there was a coach who every time his kids team would lose he would want to file a protest and blame the umps. Even as a youngster I was embarrassed for him. Embarrassed for my buds that were on that team. I told myself I wouldn’t ever blame the refs when my squad loses. I don’t think I have done it since then. I always look at my self or my squad. What could we have done to change the outcome. Prior to going to the ultimate cop out as placing all the blame on the officials.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:01 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:01 pm to Boomshockalocka
aren’t you just so stoic and heroic. Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:04 pm to boosiebadazz
Goes back to the p1 tweet I referenced doesn’t it.
Sometimes the other team is just better.
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When adults whine about the refs they unconsciously model that it is OK to blame others when things don’t go your way. It’s a passive aggressive way of deflecting responsibility and absolving accountability. It is a very poor precedent to set...
Sometimes the other team is just better.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:04 pm to Boomshockalocka
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When I was a young lad playing little league baseball
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:08 pm to Allthatfades
This could have been a good thread because the subject matter is highly interesting and something that doesn't get exposed very often.
Instead, it's ruined by a weirdo who doesn't know much about the actual subject at hand.
Instead, it's ruined by a weirdo who doesn't know much about the actual subject at hand.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:You are saying that if a ref cheats, the team that is impacted should still win if they are good enough.
I never said it had zero impact of even implied it Bubba.
So, it doesn’t matter if they cheat.
Why should anyone care if they cheat?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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When I was a young lad playing little league baseball there was a coach who every time his kids team would lose he would want to file a protest and blame the umps. Even as a youngster I was embarrassed for him. Embarrassed for my buds that were on that team
Jesus Christ.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:16 pm to Scruffy
Now you putting words in my mouth. I said we look at ourselves before blaming someone else when things don’t go the way we want them to. Somehow this is the exception these days.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:18 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:Oh, now I understand.
Now you putting words in my mouth. I said we look at ourselves before blaming someone else when things don’t go the way we want them to. Somehow this is the exception these days.
Your entire thought process and posting in this thread has literally nothing to do with the OP and you just wanted to derail a thread because...
#sleepwalkto60
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:20 pm to Scruffy
no, my post was on topic. Even if the ref made a bad call in the third qtr intentionally on my team, I would look at what we did in the fourth quarter to lose the game before going back and blaming the refs.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:So, the ref cheating makes no difference.
Even if the ref made a bad call in the third qtr intentionally on my team, I would look at what we did in the fourth quarter to lose the game before going back and blaming the refs.
Then let’s get back to my previous question.
Why should anyone care if refs try to fix games?
You clearly wouldn’t care. Even if your team lost.
You’ll be fine with it. I mean, the team didn’t lose because of the cheating.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:26 pm to Scruffy
the ref bad calls may have had a part in it. Like if the refs hypothetically were cheating in the saints game. but it was not the only reason. and not the reason I will go with for the loss.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:33 pm to Scruffy
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Your entire thought process and posting in this thread has literally nothing to do with the OP and you just wanted to derail a thread because...
#sleepwalkto60
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
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no, my post was on topic.
Lol @ Boon
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