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re: How do other states handle Public vs Private in HS football?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:46 am to slackster
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:46 am to slackster
I think it would be feasible in LA because of the talent rich area from MS, LA and TX. And i think its coming if IMG has succe$$. I could see Under-armer, Nike, etc getting involved.
But im not really asking about the feasibility of it, but more how would you feel about it? Would you want it allowed to play for the state championship or would you want the state association to keep them out?
Because i dont think you can tell public schools they should play whoever wherever, toughen up, make themselves better to compete, and then turn around and say we dont want to compete with the IMG's of the world.
But im not really asking about the feasibility of it, but more how would you feel about it? Would you want it allowed to play for the state championship or would you want the state association to keep them out?
Because i dont think you can tell public schools they should play whoever wherever, toughen up, make themselves better to compete, and then turn around and say we dont want to compete with the IMG's of the world.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 11:26 am
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:49 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Well IMG isn't in the Florida association of any kind so I don't think they'd be in an LA one.
If you're openly recruiting across the country, it will only work if players can transfer and play immediately, and very few if any leagues allow that type of thing.
If you're openly recruiting across the country, it will only work if players can transfer and play immediately, and very few if any leagues allow that type of thing.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:54 am to slackster
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a parents willing to spend $30k per year so their kid can eat, sleep, and breathe tennis, and the backing of a major sports marketing company.
$30K? More like $70
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:56 am to usc6158
Yeah I was being super conservative. 
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:44 am to slackster
Kentucky might have the most lopsided private/public balance in the entire country.
Imagine if you had two all-male schools with New Orleans Jesuit's demographics, resources, political connections, and history, and then the rest of the state is a bunch of nothing with the exception of one really great Louisville-area magnet school.
You can count on one hand the number of schools who have won the state title outside of those three (and the magnet has only won three times) who have won the largest football classification in the state going back to 1985.
Outside of football/basketball/baseball, it's a lot worse. There are years where one of those two will win more state titles (in the largest classifications) than they'll lose.
Not sure much can be done about it - the Catholic school system in the Louisville metro area is huge (something like 50 Catholic grade schools and 10 Catholic high schools in the metro area) and starts early, so those two aren't swiping too many players from the public system, though that happens occasionally, too. I think there was talk of Louisville St. X and Trinity moving to the GCL with the big all-boys Catholic schools in Ohio, but that seems to have subsided. They both play a lot out of state - Ensworth, MBA, and so forth in Nashville, Cincy St. X, Elder, and Archbishop Moeller in Cincy, Cathedral and Ben Davis in Indy, etc, etc.
Imagine if you had two all-male schools with New Orleans Jesuit's demographics, resources, political connections, and history, and then the rest of the state is a bunch of nothing with the exception of one really great Louisville-area magnet school.
You can count on one hand the number of schools who have won the state title outside of those three (and the magnet has only won three times) who have won the largest football classification in the state going back to 1985.
Outside of football/basketball/baseball, it's a lot worse. There are years where one of those two will win more state titles (in the largest classifications) than they'll lose.
Not sure much can be done about it - the Catholic school system in the Louisville metro area is huge (something like 50 Catholic grade schools and 10 Catholic high schools in the metro area) and starts early, so those two aren't swiping too many players from the public system, though that happens occasionally, too. I think there was talk of Louisville St. X and Trinity moving to the GCL with the big all-boys Catholic schools in Ohio, but that seems to have subsided. They both play a lot out of state - Ensworth, MBA, and so forth in Nashville, Cincy St. X, Elder, and Archbishop Moeller in Cincy, Cathedral and Ben Davis in Indy, etc, etc.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 12:53 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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So, it's not like Louisiana where public schools just lost to private schools.
This is what some want you to believe is the case in Louisiana, but is far from the case. Just this year the 5a Public state champion absolutely destroyed the highest division private state champion. There's a lot more balance than many want to believe, but we live in society where everyone must get a trophy.
Final of that game was 41-26 in favor of the public school [Zachary]
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:38 pm to Rabbs and QStick
Two touchdowns is a significant win but isn't "destroying..." just making the comment, however.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:58 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
In Wisconsin all schools are treated equally. However there are some weird state laws with school districts counting halves and thirds of students that live in the district but attend private school towards enrollment.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:59 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Recruiting happens in other states but is not nearly as pervasive. It's the abuse of the system that has lead LA to this precipice.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:03 pm to TheFranchise
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Recruiting happens in other states but is not nearly as pervasive. It's the abuse of the system that has lead LA to this precipice.
I call BS. There was a good documentary about bball recruiting in Chicago like a decade or so ago. LA doesn't have a chokehold on recruiting.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:07 pm to GhostofJackson
HS bball recruiting in places like Chicago, Philly, NYC is insane. Recruiting in football for TX public schools is pretty crazy because it involves physically moving a family's request setting up some fake address and it happens everywhere and all the time. Every area where HS sports are important has rampant recruiting
and it happens everywhere and all the time. Every area where HS sports are important has rampant recruiting This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:13 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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If Both Jesuits were in TAAPS they would never lose in any sport ever.
St Thomas has beat Strake 4 years running now in football
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:16 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Alabama private schools count students at 1.3:1, so they generally play 2 divisions up.
That rule was put in place the year after I graduated from Briarwood Christian. The year I graduated I believe we won the state title 59-14.
That rule was put in place the year after I graduated from Briarwood Christian. The year I graduated I believe we won the state title 59-14.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:25 pm to BamaSaint
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There's 7 classes now. The upcoming season will be the third year with class 7A
Posted on 6/8/16 at 2:50 pm to JJ27
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ISDs are infinitely superior to the crap system we have.
ISDs work because they are generally not bothered with inane state mandates, and they have more control over their own funding.
Here is something else to consider. In Katy, pretty much all the middle schools have an athletic program, and in sports like football, it can be pretty tightly tied to the high schools.
So, the coaches at Katy HS will work with the coaches at Katy JH and basically start teaching the playbook ideas (not actual plays so much), method, practice systems, etc, in 6th grade.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:43 pm to TigerSaintInDallas
Why can't this work like this?
If you want to attend private school, and since this is about education, then you have to attend the nearest school to your geographic location. Obviously there can be waivers, perhaps an alumni legacy exemption or if you play sports/classes that school doesn't offer. But you can't tell me a kid driving from Mandeville to John Curtis every day is doing so because of the great educational experience.
What's wrong with that? Doesn't that eliminate all of the gripe from the non-select schools?
If you want to attend private school, and since this is about education, then you have to attend the nearest school to your geographic location. Obviously there can be waivers, perhaps an alumni legacy exemption or if you play sports/classes that school doesn't offer. But you can't tell me a kid driving from Mandeville to John Curtis every day is doing so because of the great educational experience.
What's wrong with that? Doesn't that eliminate all of the gripe from the non-select schools?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 3:56 pm to elprez00
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Why can't this work like this?
If you want to attend private school, and since this is about education, then you have to attend the nearest school to your geographic location. Obviously there can be waivers, perhaps an alumni legacy exemption or if you play sports/classes that school doesn't offer. But you can't tell me a kid driving from Mandeville to John Curtis every day is doing so because of the great educational experience.
What's wrong with that? Doesn't that eliminate all of the gripe from the non-select school
There's four 5A Catholic schools within a four mile radius of each other in New Orleans.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:34 pm to chillygentilly
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There's four 5A Catholic schools within a four mile radius of each other in New Orleans.
There's a lot of students in greater NOLA.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:11 pm to elprez00
Actually, there aren't. Jesuit is now the largest, that was never the case before. Brother Martin is pretty steady at +/- 1,300 students. Holy Cross is growing because of facilities and it's easier to get to than when it was in the Lower 9th Ward, for the western half. But I thought they wanted to keep their enrollment at 250 per grade level, tops.
Anyway, St. Augustine, Archbishop Rummel and Archbishop Shaw are getting dangerously small. Shaw is under 500 students, and Rummel is close to it, as well.
Your other point is valid, hell you can't swing a dead cat from the main entrance of Brother Martin on Elysian Fields without hitting Holy Cross or St. Augustine.
Anyway, St. Augustine, Archbishop Rummel and Archbishop Shaw are getting dangerously small. Shaw is under 500 students, and Rummel is close to it, as well.
Your other point is valid, hell you can't swing a dead cat from the main entrance of Brother Martin on Elysian Fields without hitting Holy Cross or St. Augustine.
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