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re: How do other states handle Public vs Private in HS football?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:31 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:31 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:34 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
In Mississippi we have two separate leagues, the MHSAA for public, and the MAIS for private. There are some private schools in the MHSAA although most are parochial schools. The MAIS consists mostly of segregationist academies. Last year several parochial schools were forced to leave the MHSAA because of a new rule that was put in place to stop recruiting out of state players by those schools. Natchez Cathedral, Greenville St. Joe's, and St. Al's in Vicksburg all had to join the MAIS. Schools from each league may play one another in non region games, but the playoffs are seperate.
ETA; We don't have many large Catholic schools in MS unlike LA so it's easy for us to use this system. Our larger private schools: Jackson Prep, Jackson Academy, MRA, like playing public schools in non-division, but staying in the MAIS so they can cakewalk to state championships.
ETA; We don't have many large Catholic schools in MS unlike LA so it's easy for us to use this system. Our larger private schools: Jackson Prep, Jackson Academy, MRA, like playing public schools in non-division, but staying in the MAIS so they can cakewalk to state championships.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 7:53 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:36 am to brewhan davey
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What's the reason behind that? Are they the only two private schools playing in a public class?
They're very large, all male schools. They were part of a private school league that folded, and neither of the other large private school leagues in Texas (TAPPS or SPC) would accept them (for fear they would dominate everything).
So they fought to get into UIL and eventually the sides came to an agreement: they could join but would have to play at one level higher than their enrollment would otherwise dictate.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:47 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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How do other states handle Public vs Private in HS football?
The best fix is to fix the public school system in general. A state like Texas doesn't have much of an issue with this because public schools are a viable option, even for parents with money.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:02 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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But California public schools like Long Beach Poly was named by Sports Illustrated as the #1 Sports School of the Century.
Poly is a magnet school with over FIVE THOUSAND STUDENTS! I'm sure if you combined West Monroe, Neville, Ouachita, Wossman, Carroll, and Richwood they'd never lose a game either.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:03 am to slackster
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A state like Texas doesn't have much of an issue with this because public schools are a viable option, even for parents with money.
ISDs are infinitely superior to the crap system we have.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:05 am to JJ27
Maryland and Virginia both have separate organizations and separate playoffs for public and private
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:11 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
in some states the privates are in their own association because they CAN'T compete with publics......
every state is different....
only one other state has a public school system as weak (educationally) as LA is... generally speaking... which also plays a huge part.
every state is different....
only one other state has a public school system as weak (educationally) as LA is... generally speaking... which also plays a huge part.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:38 am to choupiquesushi
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n some states the privates are in their own association because they CAN'T compete with publics......
This is what i'd always heard and was curious as to why. Poor quality of so many of the public schools makes sense. Also i assume LA may have more privates/catholic schools (percentage-wise) than most states.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:41 am to choupiquesushi
The problem in LA is overblown. They've blown up the entire system because of 4-5 schools. It's asinine.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 8:56 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Texas they are completely separate leagues and classifications. Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit play in the highest public class (6A formerly 5A) but they are exceptions.
This. And private schools are pretty much a joke here. I don't know one decent private school because when it comes playoff time they have to play some school of the deaf or something in the third round.
Winning in TAPPS is nothing to be proud of.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:07 am to slackster
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They've blown up the entire system because of 4-5 schools.
All of this came about because of Evangel and Curtis. You can get as detailed as you want and have endless debates. When it comes down to it, these 2 schools dominated the top 2 classifications and caused the split. When a school of 400 K-12 wins the highest classification in football more than anyone else, people get pissed.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:11 am to usc6158
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Maryland and Virginia both have separate organizations and separate playoffs for public and private
and how many times since integration has a team from VA and MD been in the national title hunt in college?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:12 am to McCaigBro69
SPC is pretty solid in some sports considering the size of the schools. Especially the country club sports.
TAPPS there's just a giant gap between the good and bad. St. Thomas and St. Pius in Houston have pretty good athletics, St. Thomas and Strake have a pretty strong and competitive rivalry in the major sports
TAPPS there's just a giant gap between the good and bad. St. Thomas and St. Pius in Houston have pretty good athletics, St. Thomas and Strake have a pretty strong and competitive rivalry in the major sports
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:16 am to choupiquesushi
playing anyone anywhere hardens kids and makes them more competitive...
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:26 am to McCaigBro69
Texas private schools have never really placed an emphasis on recruiting star athletes, and trying to be dominant in football.
It's contrary to the culture of the state but a lot of parents/students are happy to keep it that way.
As far as the public schools, there is plenty of recruiting going on.
It's contrary to the culture of the state but a lot of parents/students are happy to keep it that way.
As far as the public schools, there is plenty of recruiting going on.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 9:27 am
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:32 am to JJ27
Exactly. If you don't like the way they do business, or they're breaking the rules, punish them or kick then out. Don't lump Curtis or ECA into the same boat as St. Louis or Vermillion Catholic.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:37 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Good discussion/info in this thread
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:39 am to slackster
Serious question, especially for the private school supporters... How would you feel about an IMG Academy type school popping up in LA? I believe some of this is an attempt to discourage that before it starts.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:43 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
I don't think it's feasible. IMG needs two things to work - a parents willing to spend $30k per year so their kid can eat, sleep, and breathe tennis, and the backing of a major sports marketing company.
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