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re: High school pitchers and the cut fastball
Posted on 6/14/13 at 7:24 am to oldcharlie8
Posted on 6/14/13 at 7:24 am to oldcharlie8
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what coach would not want his pitcher to throw a cut fastball? what an idiot.
Especially without giving a good reason for not allowing it
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 7:27 am to bpinson
A cut fastball is a great pitch. However, I would listen to the coach or your son may be getting splinters in his arse.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:12 am to rpg005
Exactly. Listen to the coach during the games. work on the cutter on his own time. Dont be that parent who tells his kid not to listen to the coach. Learning to be coachable/teachable is one of the most valuable life skills you learn from playing sports-much more important than having an extra pitch.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:22 am to FootballNostradamus
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It's the perfect high school pitch.
Change up so true, I couldnt throw hard to at all but I had a nasty change up and it got outs.
I worked on a cutter between 10-11th grade in HS but never could get enough movement to make it other than a BP fastball
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:29 am to FootballNostradamus
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It's not sexy, but if coaches taught kids to master change-ups they would be making kids look absolutely silly. There's also next to no damage on your arm.
THIS! I learned to throw a great change up and in youth baseball it was truly devastating. I could basically throw it to be a sinker/change.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:31 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Exactly. Listen to the coach during the games. work on the cutter on his own time. Dont be that parent who tells his kid not to listen to the coach. Learning to be coachable/teachable is one of the most valuable life skills you learn from playing sports-much more important than having an extra pitch.
This. All of this.
If you want any additional advice from the MSB, I would tell your son to ask his coach for some clarification as to why he does not want your son throwing cut fastballs. I would be willing to bet there are multiple reasons he has for ignoring this cut fastball.
In my experience in situations like this, the parent is out of line 99% of the time. Perhaps you are in that 1% though...
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:40 am to bpinson
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He tells me his coach doesn't want him to throw it. I say throw it in certain situations. What says the OT?
Mariano Rivera has lived on that pitch for 15+ years.
Did the coach tell him why he shouldn't throw it?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:54 am to slackster
No, I get it. I know who the coach is and agree that son boy should listen to the coach. I coached youth baseball for years and nothing pissed me off more than parents coaching from the other side of the fence.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:57 am to bpinson
quote:And yet, that's exactly what you're doing.
No, I get it. I know who the coach is and agree that son boy should listen to the coach. I coached youth baseball for years and nothing pissed me off more than parents coaching from the other side of the fence.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:53 pm to bpinson
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My son is a pitcher on his HS baseball team and I have been teaching him how to throw a cutter. He is getting the hang of it and it worked really well tonight. He tells me his coach doesn't want him to throw it. I say throw it in certain situations. What says the OT?
Coach is an idiot. Once your son develops mastery of it, it is one of the most dangerous pitches in baseball. He should continue to perfect and throw it in games only occasionally until he's gotten a good grasp of it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:09 pm to LoveThatMoney
Well, coach isn't an idiot, maybe a little ignorant, but not an idiot. I guess what he's trying to do is just perfect the basics, (throw strikes). I have watched this theory for several years and when you "just throw strike" to a team that can hit, you get shelled. A little variety keeps them off balance and you get more outs. I agree, I am going to encourage said son to keep practicing it an use it sparingly over the summer. Hell summer ball is for practice anyway.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:18 pm to bpinson
if the coach doesn't want it thrown, try finding a new school and a new coach
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:21 pm to bpinson
What is your son's fastball topping-out at?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:43 pm to LoveThatMoney
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He tells me his coach doesn't want him to throw it. I say throw it in certain situations.
And what your son hears is "You dont have to listen to the coach if you dont agree with what he says."
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:51 pm to bpinson
I lost too much velocity when I threw a cutter in highschool. Not that mid 90's was slow. But it was a big drop off from my 4-seamer.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:51 pm to bpinson
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Hell summer ball is for practice anyway.
We just have a vastly different view on things, I guess. High school baseball was just a precursor to Legion ball for me. Legion teams were far superior to high school teams in every fashion where I came from because they drew from multiple high schools. For me, the season didn't start until May.
Perhaps calling the coach an idiot is too strong, but you're right, depending on how old your son is, he needs to be figuring out how to pitch more than strikes. He needs to figure out when to throw a ball to get a guy to swing at a bad pitch.
Part of that is figuring out pitches that appear to be strikes out of his hand but tail in or out or down. The 2 seam fastball and cutter are a pitcher's best friend and should be taught in high school. If your son can pitch a four-seam, a two-seam/cutter, and a change up, with command, he'll be untouchable in high school ball. Only later would I try to develop a breaking pitch like a slider or curveball.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:52 pm to LSUballs
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I lost too much velocity when I threw a cutter in highschool. Not that mid 90's was slow. But it was a big drop off from my 4-seamer.
lulz.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:52 pm to bpinson
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He tells me his coach doesn't want him to throw it. I say throw it in certain situations. What says the OT?
Why would the coach not want him throwing that pitch? I see no problem with it. He should not be throwing it any different than a fastball though. Just the grip is different.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:29 pm to bpinson
If it gets batters out, throw it.
What's his current repertoire?
What's his current repertoire?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:46 pm to Captain Ron
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Mariano Rivera has lived on that pitch for 15+ years.
Did the coach tell him why he shouldn't throw it?
Great pitch against wooden bats esp when a batter swings hard or is overanxious. I don't think it works great with metal bats though.
Like to know how many bats were broken because of Rivera cutter. Bat companies should have paid some of his salary.
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