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re: High school pitchers and the cut fastball
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:31 pm to shawnlsu
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:31 pm to shawnlsu
I understand you don't want to undermine the coach but that doesn't give the coach reason to say "you can't throw that pitch" without giving a reason. A lot of coaches can be insecure with shite like this.
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Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:38 pm to LoveThatMoney
I am trying to figure why the OP thought this would be a good place to get this opinion. I read it and knew he was going to get shelled like a 70 MPH high fastball 
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:47 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
The problem with most high school kids throwing cutters is that they arent cutters at all, they are most of the time bad sliders. Might seem like its cutting out of his hand but a lot of times its a bad slider that gets hammered. The cutter is a big time feel pitch that requires a lot of time and throwing to get it right. Its also my opinion that to get the right movement on it the pitcher needs to have a pretty specific arm slot (high 3/4). Most big league and college guys who throw it throw from high 3/4.
The high school coach might not like it because it takes a long time to master and maybe its really a bad slider. Hard to say without seeing your boy pitch but I tend to think most coaches have their player's best interest in mind and want to create situations for them to be most successful.
The high school coach might not like it because it takes a long time to master and maybe its really a bad slider. Hard to say without seeing your boy pitch but I tend to think most coaches have their player's best interest in mind and want to create situations for them to be most successful.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:52 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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location, movement, velocity in that order
This only applies to guys who already throw hard. Yes a 90 mph fastball with dirty movement is better then a flat 94 (see Nola) but if its a 75-80 mph fastball at the high school level you better get old boy to drop down low 3/4 or side arm because movement or not that fastball is about to get murdered.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:55 pm to BatonrougeCajun
i knew this thread would bring out all the guys who ran 4.4s in high school until the coach cheated their ACLs
Posted on 6/15/13 at 8:25 pm to BatonrougeCajun
Being able to spot an 80mph fastball is way better than not knowing where your 95mph heater is going.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 8:35 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Location is number 1. If you have a guy who can go in and and up and down with a couple of different pitches then they will have a chance to be successful.
with a 80mph fastball you have to be perfect with location. with 95 you just need to be around the plate sometimes. (If we are talking about the high school level).
I have a better chance of teaching a 95 guy location then teaching a location guy 95
with a 80mph fastball you have to be perfect with location. with 95 you just need to be around the plate sometimes. (If we are talking about the high school level).
I have a better chance of teaching a 95 guy location then teaching a location guy 95
Posted on 6/15/13 at 8:39 pm to BatonrougeCajun
Good point
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:22 pm to BatonrougeCajun
How many high schoolers are throwing 95?
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:28 pm to FightinTigersDammit
maybe 5-10 a year, but that was the example you brought up
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:34 pm to BatonrougeCajun
Oh, I see. So more coaches will have an 80mph guy to deal with than a 95mph guy.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:35 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Absolutely. Thats why good velocity is so valued, because it's not as common
Posted on 6/15/13 at 10:52 pm to BatonrougeCajun
That's kinda my point...
Posted on 6/16/13 at 5:28 am to FightinTigersDammit
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So more coaches will have an 80mph guy to deal with than a 95mph guy.
A ton more 80 mph. My son has played 2 years of HS ball and he has only seen one 90 plus pitcher, Zach Houston, who signed with MSU.
He throws 80-82 with a change up and a curve and he never gets hammered. He changes speed and location and keeps the ball down. He pitches to contact and lets the defense do their job. You can survive in HS with low 80s if you do this.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 6:12 am to LSUballs
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Not that mid 90's was slow. But it was a big drop off from my 4-seamer.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:33 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
Exactly. A coach who has a HS kid throwing 90mph better be thankful, because he won't likely see another one like him. Location will always be more important than velocity. A lot of guys threw harder than Greg Maddux.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 12:25 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Before your son worries about the cutter, I would suggest he perfects the control of his fastball. Chris Cotton is an exceptionally effective closer for LSU who has excellent command of his fastball. I'd want my son t have a spot up fastball and a change up rather than 3-4 mediocre pitches.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 3:54 pm to slackster
Like I said- location, movement, velocity, in that order.
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