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re: Have we discussed ad nauseum the onside kick yet?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:52 am to DollaChoppa
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:52 am to DollaChoppa
Dude, that was a brilliant call. If Bama recovers, they aren't thinking "Just fall on it." As such, the second runs off and they have basically zero chance of return. Did you see how many Clemson players were around the ball?
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:53 am to DollaChoppa
More to the point, that last touchdown. The QB wasted a couple of seconds rolling out, and the receiver caught the ball in the field of play. If he's tackled short of the goal line, or maybe even if it's incomplete, game over. Like the Demetrius Byrd catch vs Auburn, it worked, but it was a needless gamble. If you were dead set on running another play, it should have been a quick slant.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:53 am to VermilionTiger
quote:Granted a second may have to run off if that's the rule, but the ball is technically also dead immediately upon the receiving team gaining possession if they do so already on the ground, so it is an odd rule.
I mean..the ball is immediately dead when the kicking team recovers it. You can't advance it.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:53 am to VermilionTiger
Where does the ball go if It doesn't go 10 yards and Clemson recovers? Re kick?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:53 am to shel311
quote:A second should run off either way IMHO. It takes some time upon skin touching ball to have actual possession, even if your knee is on the ground. So a second minimum should run off either way
It still doesn't seem to make sense.
In both situations, the ball is dead immediately upon being possessed, assuming the recovering team does so with a knee already on the ground.
But if that's the rule, then yea, great call by Clemson to take advantage of what I'd think is a strange rule.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 8:54 am
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:54 am to VermilionTiger
quote:
You can't recover a kick without time coming off of the clock
Then how did Clemson do it? As long as the guys knee was down the clock shouldn't run.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:57 am to Cap Crunch
They were the kicking team... pay attention
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:58 am to DollaChoppa
LSU blows and State got blasted by 57,000 points 2 nights ago. KYS.
Clemson=GOAT
Clemson=GOAT
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:58 am to Jester
quote:
Dude, that was a brilliant call. If Bama recovers, they aren't thinking "Just fall on it." As such, the second runs off and they have basically zero chance of return. Did you see how many Clemson players were around the ball?
Yea, I mean, it was a brilliant call because it worked and only like two Bama players came close to the ball while the others dicked around. But my point is kinda worst case/best case scenario based on the (aparentlyly fallacious) assumption that Bama recovers the ball while down so that a second doesnt come off.
I mean the onside kick was so slow that Bama could have recovered without the ball going 10 years fairly easier than most onside kicks since clemson wasnt able to touch it before.
So the idea is that in this worst case scenario, Bama gets the ball at the Clemson 35 with 1 sec left. Where as the worst case scenario for kicking it OOB is Bama has the ball at the Bama 35 with 1 sec left. And the same logic that says it is unlikely for Bama to score from the clemson 35 with 1 second left really has to look favorable when its at the opposing 35.
But once again, this apparently doenst matter in this situation. Dabo knew that a second would come off the clock even if bama recovered the ball, even tho he apparently didnt know a second wouldnt come off if his team recovered.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:59 am to Jim Rockford
quote:
More to the point, that last touchdown. The QB wasted a couple of seconds rolling out, and the receiver caught the ball in the field of play. If he's tackled short of the goal line, or maybe even if it's incomplete, game over. Like the Demetrius Byrd catch vs Auburn, it worked, but it was a needless gamble. If you were dead set on running another play, it should have been a quick slant.
Nah. That roll out helped prevent a longer throw that could have been picked off due to the flat angle of the throw. If that pass is incomplete, they probably still have 2 seconds left.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:59 am to TheGasMan
quote:
KYS.
Wow ok. Really uncalled for
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:00 am
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:02 am to DollaChoppa
quote:
they are 35 yards away with 1 second left.
No they wouldn't have been. They would have been at the 44-46 yard line after the ball rolled 9-11 yards. There is absolutely no guarantee that Bama would have scored a touchdown from there to win.
Basically your post sucks and you are dumb as frick.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:02 am to DollaChoppa
Sorry brother haha in still drunk. Lot of NC State fam on my dads side haha.
DKYS
DKYSThis post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:03 am to VermilionTiger
quote:
You can't recover a kick without time coming off of the clock
Yes you can.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:04 am to DollaChoppa
If bama would have touched it, the clock starts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:04 am to DollaChoppa
I agree, at least I wasn't so brash 
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:05 am to FulshearTiger
quote:
They would have been at the 44-46 yard line after the ball rolled 9-11 yards
Oh forgive me for calling it the 35 instead of the 42 or whatever it wouldve been for what was a really slow onside kick. The exact yard doesnt matter. Its about having a significant advantage over a different scenario. Bama could have recovered before it even went 10 yards. But once again, weve established that it doesnt matter
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:06 am to Mr. Hangover
quote:
They were the kicking team... pay attention
That makes no sense
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:07 am to DollaChoppa
quote:
So the idea is that in this worst case scenario, Bama gets the ball at the Clemson 35 with 1 sec left. Where as the worst case scenario for kicking it OOB is Bama has the ball at the Bama 35 with 1 sec left. And the same logic that says it is unlikely for Bama to score from the clemson 35 with 1 second left really has to look favorable when its at the opposing 35.
You've said like 10 times they would have had it at the Clemson 35. Do you think Bama was going to recover the surprise onside kick the moment it left the kickers foot? How fricking stupid are you?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:08 am to TheGasMan
Man everybody is jacked up this morning I guess.
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