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re: Have we discussed ad nauseum the onside kick yet?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:08 am to DollaChoppa
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:08 am to DollaChoppa
I think the real risk was if the ball took a funny bounce and hit one of the Clemson players before it went 10 yards. Maybe a rules expert can come in, but at that point wouldn't it have been an "illegal touch" and given Bama the ball with one second left?
Regardless, it was executed well by Clemson
Regardless, it was executed well by Clemson
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:08 am to DollaChoppa
You think Bama would have had a significant advantage having the ball between the Clemson 42-45 with one second on the clock needing a touchdown with a QB that can't throw for shite?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:09 am to FulshearTiger
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You've said like 10 times they would have had it at the Clemson 35. Do you think Bama was going to recover the surprise onside kick the moment it left the kickers foot? How fricking stupid are you?
frick dude, I dont know what yard line they would have recovered it on. Somewhere between the 45 and the 35. I cant tell you the exact yard because it didnt happen. That isnt the point, its comparing scenarios, quit splitting hairs to be a dick
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:09 am to FulshearTiger
OHHHH COMIN IN HOT
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:09 am to FulshearTiger
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You think Bama would have had a significant advantage having the ball between the Clemson 42-45 with one second on the clock needing a touchdown with a QB that can't throw for shite?
I mean, OJ Howard had a pretty long touchdown pass reception last night so whatever
Its a ~25 (approximate but unknown as I have yet to run simulations on the exact yardline for potential recovery) yard difference in field position. Its significant.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:10 am to DollaChoppa
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That isnt the point, its comparing scenarios, quit splitting hairs to be a dick
Well to be fair your thread is kind of a splitting hair type of thread... we are talking about one second... that's a hair that's being split, no?
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:30 am to DollaChoppa
Maybe it's been clarified but my only concern is if a Bama player comes flying through sliding and gathers ball.. knee is already down upon retrieving ball.. does the second run off?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:40 am to lsupride87
quote:Either way, the rule should be consistent.
A second should run off either way IMHO. It takes some time upon skin touching ball to have actual possession, even if your knee is on the ground. So a second minimum should run off either way
If you call a fair catch and catch the ball, no time runs off, so I guess that would be my reasoning for no time running off if the kick team recovers it cleanly or if the receiving team recovers it cleanly while on the ground.
Though I don't care either way, just that it seems like it should be the same for a kick team and a return team on that play.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:42 am to FulshearTiger
quote:Compared to the same Bama QB having to go 60 yards?
You think Bama would have had a significant advantage having the ball between the Clemson 42-45 with one second on the clock needing a touchdown with a QB that can't throw for shite?
I'll say yes.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:45 am to TROLA
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Maybe it's been clarified but my only concern is if a Bama player comes flying through sliding and gathers ball.. knee is already down upon retrieving ball.. does the second run off?
if the bama player jumps on the ball, i'm not sure
but the risk-reward is heavily on your side there, mainly b/c you're kicking at players who don't touch the ball often and are MUCH more likely to make a major mistake handling the ball
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:48 am to RandySavage
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Yes you can.
Not a rolling kick or squib kick. The receiving team can call a fair catch on a pooch, but that's not an option in this instance.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
The real risk was the ball not traveling 10 yards at all. At that point, it's an illegal kick and Alabama would have gotten the ball at the spot with no time run off.
Or if illegal touching happened, the same result. Bama ball at the spot, no time expired.
It was a risky call when the reward of a squib kick or pooch kick was just as high with significantly less risk.
Or if illegal touching happened, the same result. Bama ball at the spot, no time expired.
It was a risky call when the reward of a squib kick or pooch kick was just as high with significantly less risk.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:52 am to DollaChoppa
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The exact yard doesnt matter.
You are correct. It doesn't matter, because Bama would have been tackled immediately and the clock expires. Game over. Any worse outcome is extremely unlikely.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:55 am to Jester
The rule expert last night said that if the receiving team was in the ground and recovered it, the chick wouldn't have started.
He could be wrong, but that's what he said.
He could be wrong, but that's what he said.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:57 am to KosmoCramer
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The real risk was the ball not traveling 10 yards at all. At that point, it's an illegal kick
No, it isn't. It's a 100% legal kick. It's only illegal to touch it before 10 yards.
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when the reward of a......pooch kick was just as high with significantly less risk.
100% false. Pooch kick = fair catch = guaranteed offensive play.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:00 am to DollaChoppa
If it didn't go 10 yards and Clemson touched it bama would have a decent Hail Mary
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:02 am to Jester
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No, it isn't. It's a 100% legal kick. It's only illegal to touch it before 10 yards.
If bama doesn't touch it, tell me what happens, idiot?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:02 am to Jester
quote:I agree.
100% false. Pooch kick = fair catch = guaranteed offensive play.
But, and this may be hard to explain, I'd say the odds of the risk of the onside kick going wrong and giving Bama the ball with only roughly 40 yards to go are greater than the odds of anything going wrong with the pooch kick/fair catch.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:04 am to shel311
I was thinking just a pooch over the head of the front line and falling into open space in the center of the field.
Not high and short.
That's not really the point. Just kick the ball 15-20 yards rather than going for a perfect inside kick. The risk was way to great.
Not high and short.
That's not really the point. Just kick the ball 15-20 yards rather than going for a perfect inside kick. The risk was way to great.
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