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re: good or bad thing that a 7 and 8 seed are playing for a national title?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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that was a legitimate sample. the tourney? not so much
I think six games against the best teams in the country is a pretty legitimate sample size
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:38 am to jg8623
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You said "look who's playing the best RIGHT NOW"
Yes, which ISN'T the same as:
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"The regular season is meaningless."
Do you bitch this much during the NFL playoffs?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:40 am to LSUJuice
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I think football has it right. I liked the BCS and thought that to be a national champion, don't screw up in the regular season (lose once) and you can't bitch.
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s at this!Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:42 am to SabiDojo
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Yes, which ISN'T the same as:
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"The regular season is meaningless."
Sorry, maybe "not very important" is a better way to put it
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:45 am to jg8623
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Sorry, maybe "not very important" is a better way to put it
It's important still. Besides,would you want the regular season to be the determining factor? Would you want the regular season champion to have such an advantage in the postseason that it's nothing but a cakewalk? What fun would that be? Why not just crown the regular season champion the champion and then be done with it?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:48 am to SabiDojo
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It's important still. Besides,would you want the regular season to be the determining factor? Would you want the regular season champion to have such an advantage in the postseason that it's nothing but a cakewalk? What fun would that be? Why not just crown the regular season champion the champion and then be done with it?
I wouldn't mind a tweaked system where the top 4 teams get byes into the sweet 16 or something.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:50 am to PhiTiger1764
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I wouldn't mind a tweaked system where the top 4 teams get byes into the sweet 16 or something.
I don't know about byes, but I agree with Chicken that reducing the field to 32 and having double-elimination would be pretty cool.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:50 am to SabiDojo
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What fun would that be? Why not just crown the regular season champion the champion and then be done with it?
Not arguing how fun it is, I love watching the tournament. It's great entertainment.
Question:After the regular season, did you think Kentucky or UConn should deserve a shot at the national championship? And if your being honest, the answer is no. There were about 10-12 teams that most people would say are in the top tier of teams and neither of them were in it
I obviously don't think the regular season should be the final factor, just that it should hold more weight. That's all. Not that big of a deal
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:51 am to jg8623
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Question:After the regular season, did you think Kentucky or UConn should deserve a shot at the national championship? And if your being honest, the answer is no. There were about 10-12 teams that most people would say are in the top tier of teams and neither of them were in it
I know, AND I LOVE IT. CHAOS!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:56 am to 632627
It's fine in this instance because it just so happens that the two programs are blue bloods and actually are chock full of talent that will be NBA bound soon. But if it were, say, Colorado and Oregon, it would be terrible.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:03 am to SabiDojo
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I know, AND I LOVE IT. CHAOS!!!!
What I get is how do people complain about the bcs and the college tournament is so universally praised.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:04 am to 632627
I didn't bitch about the BCS. I actually wanted to keep it.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:16 am to SabiDojo
If you think the regular season is meaningless you probably aren't really a college basketball fan. Sports provide entertainment and if you like watching the sport the regular season is good entertainment.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:23 am to SabiDojo
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I didn't bitch about the BCS. I actually wanted to keep it.
Same here!
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:58 am to jg8623
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No one said the 2 teams aren't deserving. They said that is caused the regular season to have almost no importance. Which is true
The regular season has forever been defined as a time to develop your team and build a resume for a easier path in the tournament. This isn't new, and everyone accepts it prior to the season.
It doesn't hurt my feelings at all that a team like Florida has to go out and beat a team like Connecticut to win the NC. The lights were bright, and Florida couldn't respond. That's part of the game.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:00 pm to jg8623
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Question:After the regular season, did you think Kentucky or UConn should deserve a shot at the national championship?
If that shot includes having to win 5 straight including many higher ranked opponents, yes. I absolutely think they deserve that shot.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:38 pm to moneyg
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The regular season has forever been defined as a time to develop your team and build a resume for a easier path in the tournament. This isn't new, and everyone accepts it prior to the season
I agree. You could say the same thing with college baseball. Different sports are set up different ways. I for instance think the MLB playoffs are a joke. But that is a completely different thread.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:02 pm to lsu480
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I think football has it right. I liked the BCS and thought that to be a national champion, don't screw up in the regular season (lose once) and you can't bitch.
Absolutely not! College football has the worst postseason of any major U.S. sport. A mostly subjectively selected matchup in the championship game coupled with 30+ meaningless exhibition games.
The argument that "at least the regular season matters" should be tempered by the fact that the BCS era has shown that it matters more for some teams and less for others. Some teams can lose one game early in the season and never have a true chance of playing for the title the rest of the season. While others can lose one game late and still make it to the title game. Some teams can go undefeated yet still be left out of the championship game only because they subjectively started the season ranked behind two other teams that also went undefeated. Some teams can win their conference yet be passed over by a team with the same record who didn't even win a division of their conference. It's ALL subjective.
As for the NCAAT, while it's not perfect, it's infinitely better than college football's way of crowning a champ. There's still a degree of subjectivity in the seeding of teams. However generally the teams who's play and records in the regular season were indicative of being the best teams in the country are awarded the highest seeds. UK's and UCONN's reglar season play earned them a spot in the tournament, but not a high seed. Teams like Whicita St., Michigan St., Michigan, Louisville, Florida may have had great seasons, yet the NCAAT (just like every other playoff format in major American sports) makes them earn a championship on the field of play. UCONN or Kentucky beat all of those teams. They have EARNED their spots in the championship game.
Yes, single elimination can produce "fluky" results some times. But with 300+ teams in the league vs. 30 (NBA) that format is really the only feasible format. IMO, I'm ok with single elimination in every sport but baseball. The only diffirentiating factor in baseball for me is that one player (the pitcher) can completely control a one game situation.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:15 pm to jose canseco
Regardless of what happens in the regular season, in every sport it is always about who is best at the end of the season, except college football, and MLB too but MLB sucks so who cares.
the fact that you can have one bad game and be out the hunt sucks, but all 60 whatever teams know that going into it. NFL is the same way, no one bitches about that. Were those Giants teams really the best team in the NFL those two season? no. but they won when it counted, which is how all championships are awarded, by winning when it matters most, in the playoffs.
Every level of basketball below college is settled this way and it's how every college basketball player is use to awarding a champion.
the fact that you can have one bad game and be out the hunt sucks, but all 60 whatever teams know that going into it. NFL is the same way, no one bitches about that. Were those Giants teams really the best team in the NFL those two season? no. but they won when it counted, which is how all championships are awarded, by winning when it matters most, in the playoffs.
Every level of basketball below college is settled this way and it's how every college basketball player is use to awarding a champion.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 1:34 pm to Mahootney
"Meaningless" I keep seeing this word. Why does sports have to have such great meaning? I thought this was entertainment. The tournament is damn sure entertaining. Stop trying to make everything have "meaning" and turn it all into some half baked Rick Reilly column.
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