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re: GM Jocketty to overrule Baker: Aroldis Chapman to be in the rotation (Reds)
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:03 am to madcap
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:03 am to madcap
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reddman, you think Latos moves up to ace status this season?
I do. Once he learned how to pitch in GABP, he was pretty damn good. He and Cueto make a good 1-2 punch, and then you throw in Bailey who was awesome in the last couple of months of the season and the playoffs. Not to mention Chapman.
Its gonna be a great rotation, assuming they stay healthy again.
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Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:03 am to Bho
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I would argue that having a shut down closer is much more important than one good starter.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:04 am to madcap
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reddman, you think Latos moves up to ace status this season?
Reds aren't trading Cueto
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:07 am to reddman
I agree. Hopefully Arroyo turns in his usual innings eating season also. Nice having Leake as depth.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:10 am to BluegrassBelle
Dusty to ownership:
"Hey, have you seen my resume? Are you even the slightest bit familiar with my handling of a pitching staff? I mean, if you want me to throw this poor kid's arm out, I will, but it'll be on your conscience. Look, I can't believe you hired me either, and now you're going to let me control the workload of the most valuable young arm in the National League? Are you drunk? I know I am.
Please call the Cubs for references. They'll tell you how this is gonna end."
"Hey, have you seen my resume? Are you even the slightest bit familiar with my handling of a pitching staff? I mean, if you want me to throw this poor kid's arm out, I will, but it'll be on your conscience. Look, I can't believe you hired me either, and now you're going to let me control the workload of the most valuable young arm in the National League? Are you drunk? I know I am.
Please call the Cubs for references. They'll tell you how this is gonna end."
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:12 am to madcap
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Nice having Leake as depth.
The free T-Shirts are just a bonus with him.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:18 am to Baloo
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Baloo
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:23 am to KosmoCramer
No. I don't like the Cubs and I'm glad they lost. I'm not a Reds fan either so their winning doesn't affect me either way.
But Dusty Baker is the worst manager on earth with regards to managing a pitching staff. Let's not pretend we don't know how this shakes out without heavy interference from the GM's office.
But Dusty Baker is the worst manager on earth with regards to managing a pitching staff. Let's not pretend we don't know how this shakes out without heavy interference from the GM's office.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:26 am to Baloo
Again, no pitcher has sustained any injuries on Cincinnati due to Dusty's handling of them.
ETA: I can't stand Dusty Baker, btw.
ETA: I can't stand Dusty Baker, btw.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 9:27 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:34 am to reddman
I still can't believe Cueto got hurt on the first out of the playoffs after going an entire year with no injuries.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:35 am to The White Lobster
TOO SOON.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:14 am to reddman
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Again, no pitcher has sustained any injuries on Cincinnati due to Dusty's handling of them.
It helps that Bryan Price is making the pitching decisions.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:21 am to Baloo
Some much ignorance in this thread, I don't know where to start
Well it doesn't matter because our pitching coach has control over the pitchers. Not dusty. Homer Bailey didn't pitch over 117 pitches in any one game last year.
Chapman can pitch not throw. Watch the games, he dial backed his velocity to the high 90's.
Bringing up wood or Pryor for dusty's mismanagement of arms a decade ago is so lazy. Congrats you heard something 10 years ago on sports radio and stuck with it.
They aren't tyring chapman in the starters role because they think he may be a "good" starter, they are doing it because he has the potential to be ELITE. Just because a guy throws hard doesn't mean his arm is gonna blow up.
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But Dusty Baker is the worst manager on earth with regards to managing a pitching staff. Let's not pretend we don't know how this shakes out without heavy interference from the GM's office.
Well it doesn't matter because our pitching coach has control over the pitchers. Not dusty. Homer Bailey didn't pitch over 117 pitches in any one game last year.
Chapman can pitch not throw. Watch the games, he dial backed his velocity to the high 90's.
Bringing up wood or Pryor for dusty's mismanagement of arms a decade ago is so lazy. Congrats you heard something 10 years ago on sports radio and stuck with it.
They aren't tyring chapman in the starters role because they think he may be a "good" starter, they are doing it because he has the potential to be ELITE. Just because a guy throws hard doesn't mean his arm is gonna blow up.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:02 am to barry
The reasoning behind my belief of closers being important is simply on a games won by team basis. Yeah I've seen some shitty closers in Cincy and its been nice not having to worry about blowing more saves than closing games out.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:04 am to Bho
I understand that line of thinking, but runs are worth as much as they are in the 3rd inning as the 9th inning
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:07 am to The White Lobster
It's much easier to find a guy that can be serviceable for 65 innings a year than a guy that can be elite/close to elite for 200+.
Putting Chapman in the rotation is the right move at some point this season. The only thing that would worry me is increasing his workload by too much over last season. Making a huge jump in IP from one year to the next could have adverse affects.
Putting Chapman in the rotation is the right move at some point this season. The only thing that would worry me is increasing his workload by too much over last season. Making a huge jump in IP from one year to the next could have adverse affects.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:08 am to The White Lobster
If it ain't broke..... Leave it alone.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:15 am to barry
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Bringing up wood or Pryor for dusty's mismanagement of arms a decade ago is so lazy. Congrats you heard something 10 years ago on sports radio and stuck with it.
Well, i didn't "hear it on sports radio", I watched it happen. and let's face it, Baseball Prospectus practically invented Pitcher Abuse Points because of Dusty. About every baseball fan on earth is familiar with Kerry Wood and Mark Prior's use on the Cubs and eventual arm troubles.
but not recent enough? OK.
Know who ranked top 10 in PAP under Dusty Baker? Aaron Harang. Know who was lurking just outside the top ten? Edison Volquez. What do they have in common? HINT: it's a medical procedure.
Was it just 15 years ago with Cubs? Well, there was that whole time with the giants. And I guess it was a total coincidence he slagged the arms of Jason Schmidt, Shawn Estes, and Russ Ortiz there, too.
Since 1996, only ONCE has a Dusty Baker managed team been below league average in PAP. While PAP has got its problems, that does give you a pretty good idea of his work rates. Dusty works his pitchers hard, and he's got a long, long track record of pitchers with arm trouble (in his defense, his most "abused" pitcher was Livan Hernandez, who has had no arm troubles). Sure, every manager has some lost arms on their records, but Dusty has an amazing track record of arm troubles.
Hell, he's had it IN CINCINNATI, and even there he's kept on, as you say, a short leash. Even with heavy interference, he's managed to have two pitchers with major arm troubles after being in the top 15 of "pitcher abuse". Hiring Dusty Baker to be anywhere near a pitcher of Chapman's quality is simple malpractice.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:19 am to Baloo
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Livan Hernandez, who has had no arm troubles
sort of true since he has no arm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 11:25 am to barry
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Just because a guy throws hard doesn't mean his arm is gonna blow up.
You don't seem to be taking into account the fact that he has never thrown more than 118 innings in a season. Going from that to an MLB starting load of 180-190-200 innings a season is pretty tough an arm that has never even approached that number before.
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