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re: GM Jocketty to overrule Baker: Aroldis Chapman to be in the rotation (Reds)
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:47 pm to Bho
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:47 pm to Bho
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Because getting 50 saves (50 wins for team)>20 wins for a team.
Absolutely ridiculous. You realize Chapman had a worse save percentage last year than Francisco Cordero did as a Red? He was obviously a much better pitcher than Cordero but closing games is the most overrated role in baseball. It certainly does not equate with a win.
You absolutely have to try to make him a starter to increase the value you get from him. Baker is a likable and seems to do well with the clubhouse but I trust none of his decisions. I'm sure he leaked the "players" being unhappy about this to the media. Thankfully, Jocketty overruled him.
ETA: Chapman is more valuable as the Reds 3rd or 4th starter than as a closer. Is there really that much of a dropoff in closing games from him to Broxton or Marshall? I bet it costs them one game. But his value over Mike Leake could be a lot more than that.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 7:49 pm
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Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:51 pm to emmanuellewis
So if Chapman goes the season and let's say he goes 14-10. Is that better than having him close 50?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:21 pm to Bho
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So if Chapman goes the season and let's say he goes 14-10. Is that better than having him close 50?
You can't be serious?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:38 pm to MrWiseGuy
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Because 200 innings >>>>>>>>> 70
innings. Even if it is at a decrease in statistical production.
How do you not understand this?
You're telling me Bronson Arroyo logging 200 innings w a 5 era is more valuable than Chapman saving 40?
18 SPs logged 200 ip and chapman had a better war than all but 7.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:19 pm to GynoSandberg
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You're telling me Bronson Arroyo logging 200 innings w a 5 era is more valuable than Chapman saving 40?
Apparently. Don't fix something that isn't broken. Now if you're making the change because you think Chapman will go elsewhere, then fine. Still don't like the move.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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You're telling me Bronson Arroyo logging 200 innings w a 5 era is more valuable than Chapman saving 40?
No one said anything about Arroyo.
Chapman logging 200 innings is better than him throwing 70-80.
Even if it is at a decrease in production from last year.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Does this cause issues going forward for the Reds?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:30 pm to Bho
I wouldnt touch the reds staff or the bullpen. As a team, they are better with Chapman closing. This distraction isn't helping things.
Chapman isn't guaranteed success as a starter. People thought Feliz and Daniel Bard would make lights out starters. It's just a risky, desperation move for a team that doesn't need to do it
Chapman isn't guaranteed success as a starter. People thought Feliz and Daniel Bard would make lights out starters. It's just a risky, desperation move for a team that doesn't need to do it
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:32 pm to Bho
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Don't fix something that isn't broken.
We lost in Round 1 of the playoffs.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:34 pm to Bho
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I would argue that having a shut down closer is much more important than one good starter.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:34 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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He didn't take off anywhere near 2 months.
College ball ends at the end of may and Team USA played their first tourney before the olympics in late july
I know it has nothing to do with his jersey you fricking dumbass.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:36 pm to barry
who are slotted as 4th/5th starters if Chapman closes?
Arroyo and ____?
Arroyo and ____?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Everyone needs to settle the frick down. First of all, no way, no how does Chapman throw 200 innings this year. I'd imagine 150-160 would be his max.
In my opinion, he certainly should be moved to starter, but perhaps you think outside the box and keep Leake around and have him bust in with a start once in awhile.
The Reds bullpen can handle being short a guy if the 6 starters throw the ball like they have for the past year. Just my opinion.
And to everyone in the thread that blabbered about the closer being overrated, you are correct.
In my opinion, he certainly should be moved to starter, but perhaps you think outside the box and keep Leake around and have him bust in with a start once in awhile.
The Reds bullpen can handle being short a guy if the 6 starters throw the ball like they have for the past year. Just my opinion.
And to everyone in the thread that blabbered about the closer being overrated, you are correct.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:38 pm to Lester Earl
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who are slotted as 4th/5th starters if Chapman closes?
Cueto
Latos
Arroyo
Bailey
Leake
Same as last year
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:40 pm to reddman
so basically hes not content with driving his Ferrari around the neighborhood; he has to take it out on the interstate
i dont like the move, they are better with him in the pen
i dont like the move, they are better with him in the pen
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:44 pm to Lester Earl
Well, Leake wasn't super effective last year, and Chapman wasnt signed to be a reliever.
I dont blame them for wanting to make the guy what they signed him to be.
I dont blame them for wanting to make the guy what they signed him to be.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:46 pm to reddman
Late to the thread but I think Chapman should at least start the season as a starter and go from there. He was a starter till he came here.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:48 pm to MrWiseGuy
By saying a pitcher who throws 200 innings, I assumed you meant someone who has thrown 200 innings.
You're assuming Chapman throws 200 innings. And that he will be a good starter. You have no idea if he will be more valuable in a starter role.
Good closers have been vital to contending teams. Eck, Mo, Paps, wetteland, Wilson, romo, motte, Feliz, lidge and the list goes on. They are valuable. More than most starters
You're assuming Chapman throws 200 innings. And that he will be a good starter. You have no idea if he will be more valuable in a starter role.
Good closers have been vital to contending teams. Eck, Mo, Paps, wetteland, Wilson, romo, motte, Feliz, lidge and the list goes on. They are valuable. More than most starters
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:50 pm to reddman
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Well, Leake wasn't super effective last year,
he's a 5th starter tho. and has more upside than most 5th guys
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I dont blame them for wanting to make the guy what they signed him to be.
well i dont blame em either, but they should do what is best for the team.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:50 pm to GynoSandberg
But an above average starter is more valuable than an above average closer.
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