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re: G6 Conference Realignment

Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by Tex Longhorn
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:33 pm to
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I also dislike adding Boise State when BYU and Colorado State are on the table.


The new B12 is going to get paid mostly based on projected football TV viewership. (Basketball matters a little bit, and revenue from post-season appearances.) They won't get a conference network. Boise draws TV ratings better than all but BYU among the G5's and independents available.

Colorado State is the most overrated school in expansion talk, because they do not draw well on TV, even when balancing out their playing mostly on little watched CBSSN. Like Arizona and some other states, half of Colorado is from somewhere else, so they tend to stick with their prior schools. Colorado's tv ratings are also bad, even as they, not CSU, pick up most of the t-shirts fans from the new arrivals.

Every time I read someone say add Colorado State it's like reading someone saying the Pac12 should take BYU or Baylor. Highly unlikely, for reasons. (That's not a putdown, we're fans and don't get paid to know all the ins and outs of realignment. It just means keep digging on the research.)

It's true that Boise and Memphis were eliminated early in the prior B12 expansion exploration, but obviously the parameters and risks were different then. Probably eliminated for academic fit reasons, and also for Boise perhaps distance and lower athlete recruiting/acceptance standards.

San Diego St was also an early elimination, probably for distance. But TV will have a bigger say this time around. Except for distance/time zone, looking at the numbers San Diego St is a better candidate than Memphis, both in football and basketball, and more than twice the market size. They could be a dark horse candidate.

Boise and BYU are only 1 hour off from most of the B12 schools, so travel wouldn't be quite the negative that it was for the Pac16 proposal. SD State is 2 hours, but it would probably be the only school in the Pacific zone. There's also the possibility of football only membership, or scheduling their home games (non-football) earlier than normal. Same for BYU and Boise.

USF has benefits, but not sure that will overcome their lousy athletic performance in the last decade. I agree that SMU is too small and would be an unlikely addition. TCU, Tech, Baylor, and Oklahoma State are enough for DFW. But Houston might be a good add for TV and political reasons. They won't carry Houston like Texas or aTm, but the standards are different for this B12 expansion. It all depends on what the TV partners say.

4 Texas schools would mean every other conference school gets a game in Texas each year. Good for their recruiting. So if one of Tech, TCU, or Baylor isn't scared of Houston hurting their recruiting, they might get enough votes. I think Houston is probably the fifth most likely add, depending on how the B12 schools end up viewing Boise as acceptable now or not. As far as TV money goes, I bet it ends up ranking:

1. BYU
2. Boise
3. UCF
4. Houston
5. Cincinnati
6. San Diego St
7. Memphis
8. USF (maybe 7th or 6th, based on their market being as big as San Diego's, growing faster, and the spillover/synergy of Tampa and Orlando being about as close together as Austin and San Antonio)

I'd bet good money the B12 ends up adding 4 to 6 from that list, and no one else.
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 4:40 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:45 pm to
Mountain West
Hawaii
Fresno St
San Diego St
Nevada
UNLV
BYU
Boise St
Wyoming
Colorado St
Air Force
New Mexico St
Texas Tech

American:
Oklahoma St
Tulsa
Kansas St
TCU
SMU
Baylor
Houston
Tulane
ULL
La Tech
Memphis
Southern Miss

East Coast
UCF
USF
ECU
App St
Troy
UAB
Marshall
Temple
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Army
Navy

Create a 4 team playoff with the 3 conference champs and 1 at-large.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
Member since Aug 2014
8763 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:55 pm to
Memphis was eliminated as early as it was in 2016 because UofM and the Big XII signed a NDA when Memphis brass decided to walk away from the dog and pony show.

If you REALLY think Rice, Tulane, New Mexico, and Tulsa are ahead of Memphis because of this NDA, not sure what to tell you.
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
2723 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 5:55 pm to
Let’s do it
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:29 pm to
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
Kansas St
Kansas
Oklahoma St
Iowa St

Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
BYU
Boise St
Colorado St
Houston
Posted by Hou_Lawyer
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2019
1868 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

If you REALLY think Rice, Tulane, New Mexico, and Tulsa are ahead of Memphis because of this NDA, not sure what to tell you.


Rice shouldn’t be in D1. CUSA has no schools that are equivalent. Stanford is the model but the univ just won’t spend to be on that level.

Ideally, we would join the Ivies but since that would never happen, next best thing may be a conference w/ like-minded schools (e.g. Emory, Tulane, Vandy etc..). All wishful thinking but it sucks being in a conference w/ no peers and no rivalries.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6213 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 9:27 pm to
Kingbob is close

It will end up being 48 P5 teams and 48 G5 teams.

The Big12 is done. Forget about adding schools, etc.

My source stated that Tulane, LaTech and UL-L are in the new G5 48.

UL-L and Liberty are last 2 in. FIU and FAU don’t make it.

Take king Bob’s list and add in independents, leftover Big12 schools, a couple of MAC schools and a few current non Big12 P5 teams that will be left out of the new P5 48 and there you go.



Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47575 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

a few current non Big12 P5 teams that will be left out of the new P5 48 and there you go.

no P4 is gonna vote to kick out teams because they'll be feeling like they may be next
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6213 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 10:29 pm to
The dye is already cast.

Vanderbilt
Rutgers
Oregon State
Miss State
Wake Forest

All potentially on the chopping block
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21225 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 12:27 am to
quote:

My source


Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
1262 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 3:24 am to
quote:

The G6 powers need to consolidate and form a new premier conference of their own. NORTH: Cincinnati West Virginia Marshall Memphis SOUTH: Houston SMU Tulane Louisiana EAST: UCF USF UAB APP St WEST: Boise St BYU San Diego St Colorado St


This right here.

The only way possible for any of the G6’s to stay relevant is to form a ‘super league’ with several schools that have a chance to potentially make it into the P4. Or at least make it to relevant bowl games on a regular basis.
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 3:25 am
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69614 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:01 am to
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This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted by winston1970
Huntsville
Member since Sep 2020
1071 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 12:49 pm to
Would ULL leave ULM behind? They could replace them with Tech but they can't beat Tech in FB like ULM
Posted by LaCajunsFan
UL Ragin Cajuns
Member since Mar 2014
1262 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 2:40 pm to
If you were nearly as superior as you think you are you would not give a rat’s arse what UL, ULM and LTUR do.
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26749 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

The dye is already cast.

Vanderbilt
Rutgers
Oregon State
Miss State
Wake Forest

All potentially on the chopping block


This is bullshite. No current P5 schools will be booted.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26749 posts
Posted on 8/28/21 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
Kansas St
Kansas
Oklahoma St
Iowa St

Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
BYU
Boise St
Colorado St
Houston


This is probably pretty close. I think Baylor and TCU exclude Houston. I think you add UCF to this list.

The Big 12 should attempt to get Nebraska back.

I know it’s a huge monetary decrease from the Big 10, but Nebraska fans would rather win again and I think would make that sacrifice.

This gets them back in Texas.

Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6213 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:06 am to
quote:

This is bullshite. No current P5 schools will be booted.




Ummm….they already are
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42563 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:12 am to
Was hoping UAB could get a look at the Big 12. Before you laugh, the new stadium would be one of the best in the conference.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47575 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:17 am to
quote:

Ummm….they already are
that’s because they’re from a conference that was booted

Maybe you’re thinking the SEC and ACC will merge which would cause the Big 10 and pac 12 to merge… at that point, just call them North, South, East, and West
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69614 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:20 am to
I don’t think it’s unreasonable. The biggest problem would be the lack of fan support. That could potentially change with a bigger conference though.

I still think UAB is the top choice for AAC, but outside of football the AAC in its current format won’t make a ton of sense when the P4 does finally separate.
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