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G6 Conference Realignment

Posted on 8/27/21 at 10:53 am
Posted by msutiger
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Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 11:03 am to
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Somehow we were able to escape midweek games during our last 3 years in the MWC.

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a holding penalty in a crucial moment in your first road game against a P4 opponent


This is one of the main things I think sucks about this from a TCU fan perspective - non conference scheduling. I think we can give up any notion of ever getting a P4 team, especially a mid or higher tier one, to schedule a home and home with us, or even a 2 for 1. I think the P4 will shut out a lot of us from non conference scheduling, and at best may give us a one way game. But I think its more likely we get shut out from being scheduled all together.

Also, bowl tie ins will suck. Our 1st place team that doesn't make the playoff or NY6(if it still exists) will probably have its top bowl slot being a pre Christmas game against the 9th place team from the Pac 12.

Here are the teams I want to be added to the Big 12, in order, depending on how much expansion is done:

Team #9/10: UCF & Cincinnati
Teams #11/12: Boise State & BYU
Teams #13/14: Houston & Colorado State
Teams #15/16: Memphis & UNLV
Teams #17/18: New Mexico & USF
Teams #19/20: East Carolina & SMU

Pods in a 12 team setup: (WVU-Cincy-UCF) / (Baylor-Texas Tech/TCU) / (Iowa State/K State/Iowa State) / (Boise State/BYU/Oklahoma State)

Pods in a 14 team setup: (WVU-Cincy-UCF) / (Houston-Texas Tech-TCU-Baylor) / (Oklahoma State-Iowa State-Kansas State-Kansas) / (Boise State-BYU-Colorado State)

Pods in a 16 team setup: (WVU-Cincy-Memphis-UCF) / (Houston-Texas-TCU-Baylor) / (Oklahoma State-Iowa State-Kansas State-Kansas) / (Boise State-BYU-Colorado State-UNLV)

Basically the pods work like the WAC in the 90s, they rotate, but the pod containing WVU, UCF will never be in the same division as the pod containing the Western schools.
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 11:28 am to
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Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 11:36 am to
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UAB seems to be at the top of the list for the AAC, after that it’ll be quite the mess. Likely new additions will come from Conference USA and the Sun Belt

Teams from C-USA and Sun Belt that will be discussed (in alphabetical order): App State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Rice, Southern M
iss

Whether it's CUSA, the Sunbelt, or some new conference that forms from the leftovers of several leagues, I think if you can get ULL, LaTech, Southern Miss, UAB, Rice, and maybe South Al and Tulsa you'd have the beginnings of a strong, well rounded conference.

I'm still and probably forever of the opinion that outside of the power conferences, football conferences should be separate from other sports.

Schools that can make good football opponents can be more disparate in geography and competitiveness in other sports. Since football is the best chance at making money, let them maximize their value without wildly blowing up the expenses for the other sports.
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 11:37 am
Posted by Redbonebandit
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 11:48 am to
Liberty is a wild card in all this too be interesting to see where they end up.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 11:57 am to
You could build a pretty strong baseball conference out of some of those unwanted G6s too. Not that baseball drives any of those decisions in the least but but there's some good programs in that bunch
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 12:06 pm to
It would be a shame to see the AAC and Sun Belt lose programs. Both of those conferences have done a nice job
Posted by GVT
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 12:13 pm to
Agreed
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 12:29 pm to
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a holding penalty in a crucial moment in your first road game against a P4 opponent and a free message board fight with a sidewalk fan of a P4 school of your choice.


, but also the hard, cold truth.

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Teams from C-USA and Sun Belt that will be discussed (in alphabetical order): App State, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Rice, Southern Miss


I know we hate y’all, and y’all hate us, but getting us, y’all, Rice and Southern Miss in a conference with Tulane (they’ll hate it because they want zero association with the Cajuns and Tech, cry me a river) would be pretty damn fun. Both with potential football rivalries easy to travel to and damn good baseball potential, and I love me some good college baseball.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 12:42 pm to
The G6 powers need to consolidate and form a new premier conference of their own.

NORTH:

Cincinnati
West Virginia
Marshall
Memphis

SOUTH:

Houston
SMU
Tulane
Louisiana

EAST:

UCF
USF
UAB
APP St

WEST:

Boise St
BYU
San Diego St
Colorado St




This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 12:43 pm
Posted by oliveandblue
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 12:50 pm to
Let's say you build a small, 8 team league of the following schools in a post-apocalyptic scenario:

Southern Miss
Tulane
Rice
La Tech
Louisiana
UAB
Arkansas State
Troy

This league would be mocked nationally (it's the opposite of what ESPN wants), but would probably heavily outpunch expectations on an annual basis and be the closest thing you could get to a powder-keg at the G5 level.

Baseball in that conference would be SEC-esque. There are like 7 top 70 RPI teams in that league.
This post was edited on 8/27/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted by BCLA
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 12:56 pm to
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Likely won’t lose any more schools (Maybe Kansas but looking unlikely). According to The Athletic, BYU is the first choice due to tv ratings. Other favorites include Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Boise State


They gotta go get Colorado State. They're dumping money into athletics while the Buffs worry about hurting feelings. They could easily capture the Denver market with this move.
Posted by BreakawayZou83
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/27/21 at 1:03 pm to
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They gotta go get Colorado State. They're dumping money into athletics while the Buffs worry about hurting feelings. They could easily capture the Denver market with this move.


I 100% agree. Colorado State is academically stronger than three current Big 12 members, it’s a large school that fits the profile of several current Big 12 members, they just built a beautiful on campus stadium, nice campus, beautiful town, fastest growing state in the country, and only one meaningful in-state rival.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9235 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 1:10 pm to
It depends on if the Big 12 (8) expands by 4 or 6 teams.

If the Big 12 expands by 4 teams:

Oklahoma St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St
West Virginia
BYU*
Boise St*
Colorado St*
Houston*


If the Big 12 expands by 6 teams:

North:

West Virginia
Iowa St
Kansas
Kansas St
Boise St*
Colorado St*
Cincinnati*

South:

Oklahoma St
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
BYU*
Houston*
UCF*

Posted by oliveandblue
Member since Nov 2014
1669 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 1:31 pm to
CSU are buried in debt. They NEED to find revenue sources from somewhere or it will bite them in the arse.

This might be a situation similar to MD and the B1G - where CSU's backbreaking issues can be solved in a conference move that also passively helps the new conference.

I like CSU more than BSU for the XII - and it's not close.
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9441 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 1:43 pm to
The Big 12 should add four schools in the following order of preference:

1. BYU. Big fanbase and broad exposure for the conference. Historic success in football. Gets them a solid foothold out west.

2. Colorado State. The most overlooked candidate by far. As said above, it's a great school with 32,000+ students (making it larger than many P5 schools while managing a respectable ranking). Beautiful town and campus. Colorado is growing like crazy. It would immediately be the best road trip in the Big 12.

3. Cincinnati. They need to give WVU a regional rival, it feels so isolated currently. Plus this program has been consistently good for years now and gets the conference into yet another desperately needed large metro area.

4. UCF. Gets them a foothold in Florida and UCF is growing rapidly. Academically, it's much better than it gets credit for (160th nationally). It's also an enormous school in terms of enrollment (even if it is a commuter campus) and its football program has been respectable for awhile now.

I'm not a fan of the Big 12 adding redundant Texas schools like Houston or SMU. I don't see how they increase the value of the conference in any way, and becoming too Texas-heavy is going to make schools like WVU feel all the more isolated. I also dislike adding Boise State when BYU and Colorado State are on the table. Yes, Boise State football has been very good, but the university is pretty underwhelming academically, it would be the worst school in the P5 by a pretty comical margin. Granted, there is room for improvement there and Idaho is a growing state, but its not ripe yet for a Boise State to a power conference move.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12617 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 2:38 pm to
If I’m the Big XII, I’m waiting to see what the playoff format is. If it stays at 4 teams, you’re not getting into a playoff regardless of what you do.

If it goes to a 5 or 6 AQ setup as we’ve heard proposed, you better make sure you lock yourself in as the 5th best conference.

Add:
1) BYU - Only team I’d add if the playoff doesn’t expand. Large, national fanbase with a big time stadium, historic success and the biggest budget available. The only reason not to add BYU is political discrimination.

2) UCF - Biggest G5 brand, massive enrollment, and in an important growing market in Florida. They can easily field competitive teams in a filled stadium.

3) Cincinnati - Natural partner to West Virginia. Historic success, considered a pseudo-power conference team from years in the Big East. Good hoops program.

4) Memphis - Regional proximity, large stadiums, powerful basketball program, access to southern talent

I wouldn’t add any more than 4 because you want to have flexibility to schedule more OOC games like the American currently.

I then go to CBS, sign an exclusive to get at least one game (football and basketball) broadcast nationally every week and every other game simulcast through CBS Sports Net and Paramount+. That gives you a major broadcasting partner who will actually promote your product unlike ESPN who has rights to 4 other conferences to promote over you.

Sign an exclusive with a neutral site venue to get a good week 1 matchup annually.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12617 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 2:57 pm to
Hypothetical Big XII on CBS weekly schedule:

1) Neutral site in Arlington or Houston
2) Iowa @ Iowa State
3) Virginia Tech @ West Virginia
4) Utah @ BYU
5) Texas Tech @ TCU
6) UCF @ Cincinnati
7) BYU @ Oklahoma State
8) Oklahoma State @ Iowa State
9) Memphis @ Cincinnati
10) Iowa State @ Kansas State
11) Oklahoma State @ West Virginia
12) UCF @ TCU
13) Oklahoma State @ Texas Tech

That’s by no means great, but I think if you negotiated to give CBS access to all the conference’s games, they’d go for it. Considering OOC games that’ll probably happen like Texas-Texas Tech, Bedlam, UCF-Florida, BYU-USC and Kansas basketball, it’s a decent property for CBS to avoid losing college sports all together.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52746 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 3:34 pm to
Hit the nail on the head in the intro.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 8/27/21 at 4:10 pm to
And San Diego State in its corner of the world watching names like Colorado State and UNLV get pulled up.

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