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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:19 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:19 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Races have been fun. Max and Hamilton overtook each other in the same race. I think that’s plenty exciting.
Yea, its kind of the sport. And you have to watch the mid table battles if you want real parity/constant action.
It's always been a couple of races within the race.
Thank jesus for Max though, dude is on another level of badass. His overtake on the first corner last weekend was balls of steel stuff.
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:39 pm to STLhog
2018 Ferrari was a better car than Merc for most of the year.
2019 Ferrari was better at the end by exploiting the loophole.
Ross Brawn was the reason for the early success of the Merc turbohybrid era, but his mark had slowly faded away as other teams caught up. Merc getting a jumpstart on the engine formula and showing up with the "split turbo" is legendary. Red Bull is trying to do the same thing right now with their engine works team. I think engines are froze until 2024 at this point. All their efforts are being focused on the next engine.
2019 Ferrari was better at the end by exploiting the loophole.
Ross Brawn was the reason for the early success of the Merc turbohybrid era, but his mark had slowly faded away as other teams caught up. Merc getting a jumpstart on the engine formula and showing up with the "split turbo" is legendary. Red Bull is trying to do the same thing right now with their engine works team. I think engines are froze until 2024 at this point. All their efforts are being focused on the next engine.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:37 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Races have been fun. Max and Hamilton overtook each other in the same race. I think that’s plenty exciting.
I think a lot of people definitely prefer the simplicity of a two-way or three-way battle for a championship, so F1 is satisfying as long as one person isn't totally dominating.
In IndyCar's first four races there are four different winners from three different teams, and I would say over half the field has a decent chance to win a race. You can dominate one weekend and then be a mid-fielder the next. I much prefer the IndyCar structure where many drivers can win. Over the course of the season the cream still rises to the top by being relentlessly consistent, even if you're not winning most of the races. Scott Dixon is incredibly underrated by non IndyCar fans. I'm not even criticizing anyone, Dixon is boringly consistent with constant super-steady drives, staying out of trouble and finishing in the top 5 more often than not. But it's not flashy if you're not winning most of the races.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 2:31 pm to STLhog
I think playing second to Lewis and Max comes with not nearly getting the same amount of team attention. In some cases, you’re noticeably the better driver (such as Norris vs Sainz and Mclaren last year) where you’ll just earn it but in situations closer to parity, the second driver loses out on a lot of quality time with the engineering and other teams. It’s the toughest position to be in where Bottas and Perez are right now.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 2:50 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I think playing second to Lewis and Max comes with not nearly getting the same amount of team attention... {snip} the second driver loses out on a lot of quality time with the engineering and other teams. It’s the toughest position to be in where Bottas and Perez are right now.
One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned is that when a team has a #1 driver, the car is designed and built to accommodate the #1 driver's size and handling preference. It's possible that all of the 2nd drivers for Red Bull are having a difficult time with handling characteristics that Max likes. It seems plausible to me because of Gasly. He drove well for Toro Rosso, then struggled at Red Bull. Then he went back to Toro Rosso and immediately started driving better again.
The most infamous example of this that I can think of was in MotoGP in the mid 2000s. Casey Stoner dominated in 2007 on the Ducati, but over the next few seasons no one else could get a handle on that bike. He was the only guy that could make it go fast.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 2:59 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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In some cases, you’re noticeably the better driver (such as Norris vs Sainz and Mclaren last year) where you’ll just earn it but in situations closer to parity
I’m assuming this means Norris was the noticeably better driver? Sainz and Norris generally seemed to be pretty even and not one really better than the other, even though mclaren made it clear they were focusing on Norris.
If you really look at it, sainz finished higher in the standings despite having 3 dns/DNF to Norris’ 1, and Norris was +1 in head to head finishes. Seems like pretty good parity?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 3:05 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
That's probably compounded by Red Bull’s (understandable) impatience. Drivers have less time to work with the engineers to get comfortable.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 3:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
I shouldn’t have said better driver. Maybe just as good. Lando and Sainz were comparable and lando proved that despite being the number 2 guy.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 6:30 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Races have been fun. Max and Hamilton overtook each other in the same race. I think that’s plenty exciting.
I think I’m just so tired of Lewis and I’m salty at how this weekend went and generally that they delayed the rule changes to next season.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The big teams are just going to get further away from the midfield with all this extra time to plan around the new regs.
Also sounds like Hamilton is going to sign a 2 year deal in the next few months. So he will be here a couple more years.
Also sounds like Hamilton is going to sign a 2 year deal in the next few months. So he will be here a couple more years.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I think I’m just so tired of Lewis and I’m salty at how this weekend went and generally that they delayed the rule changes to next season.
That’s true. Hamilton just keeps finding ways to win. I was hoping a Lando or a Perez would challenge the status quo at the top but hasn’t worked out.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:57 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Also, whats up Alonso right now. Dude like Jon Gruden and killed his mystique coming back.
Hopefully he is concentrated on next year and just going through the motions. Letting Ocon take him in every race, which is very un-Alonso.
Hopefully he is concentrated on next year and just going through the motions. Letting Ocon take him in every race, which is very un-Alonso.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:30 pm to fightin tigers
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Alonso right now
I havent finished last seasons Drive to Survive, so dont give me any spoilers. But since Grand Prix Driver... he's just lost passion/fire in every interview. Its like he just goes through motions without that extra IT factor to be elite.
I think he got a golden ticket ride in LeMans/FIA Enduro where Toyota Gazoo Racing absolutely dominated qualifying and races. I think driving with multiple drivers hides some his lackadaisy approach.
Id rather him retire to a commentator box than see him fade away behind the wheel.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:10 pm to AutoYes_Clown
Forgot what it was this weekend, but he had a comment over the radio that reminded me if the "GP2 Engine" comment. Sounded really negative again. Hated to see him at Mclaren when he got into that mentality.
He didn't need to come back to F1 to prove anything to anyone but himself, so maybe this fulfills whatever he needs.
He didn't need to come back to F1 to prove anything to anyone but himself, so maybe this fulfills whatever he needs.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:23 pm to fightin tigers
Maybe the bike wreck shook him up 
I know that might sound crazy as these guys risk death every weekend, but maybe it humbled him some. I've been hit by a car while on a bike and it put the fear of Jesus in me for a bit.
I know that might sound crazy as these guys risk death every weekend, but maybe it humbled him some. I've been hit by a car while on a bike and it put the fear of Jesus in me for a bit. Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:24 pm to BottomlandBrew
He made a comment this weekend that it is the first time since the wreck he hasn't felt pain.
So maybe there is something to that.
So maybe there is something to that.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:30 pm to fightin tigers
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Also, whats up Alonso right now. Dude like Jon Gruden and killed his mystique coming back.
Fwiw, as someone that just started watching in recent years and wasn’t paying any attention during his heyday, alonso has always come across to me as a whiny, self-absorbed prick that’s nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:58 am to Open Your Eyes
It’s even worse considering he’s 40.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:30 am to STLhog
Dude just comes across bitter and not likeable. I would maybe give him some room because comebacks are hard but Ocon shouldn’t be beating a world champion level driver.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:50 am to siliconvalleytiger
Ive grown to like Alonso more now than in the past. He is/was a cut throat driver that did absolutely everything to win, some shady.
Alonso probably should/could have won one or two more championships than he did. Imagine that is a bitter pill to take especially when his last stint at Mclaren went to poorly compared to Mclaren before and after that stay.
Ocon could be that good though or it is just early for Alonso to get up to speed.
Alonso probably should/could have won one or two more championships than he did. Imagine that is a bitter pill to take especially when his last stint at Mclaren went to poorly compared to Mclaren before and after that stay.
Ocon could be that good though or it is just early for Alonso to get up to speed.
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