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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:10 pm to AutoYes_Clown
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:10 pm to AutoYes_Clown
Forgot what it was this weekend, but he had a comment over the radio that reminded me if the "GP2 Engine" comment. Sounded really negative again. Hated to see him at Mclaren when he got into that mentality.
He didn't need to come back to F1 to prove anything to anyone but himself, so maybe this fulfills whatever he needs.
He didn't need to come back to F1 to prove anything to anyone but himself, so maybe this fulfills whatever he needs.
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:23 pm to fightin tigers
Maybe the bike wreck shook him up 
I know that might sound crazy as these guys risk death every weekend, but maybe it humbled him some. I've been hit by a car while on a bike and it put the fear of Jesus in me for a bit.
I know that might sound crazy as these guys risk death every weekend, but maybe it humbled him some. I've been hit by a car while on a bike and it put the fear of Jesus in me for a bit. Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:24 pm to BottomlandBrew
He made a comment this weekend that it is the first time since the wreck he hasn't felt pain.
So maybe there is something to that.
So maybe there is something to that.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:30 pm to fightin tigers
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Also, whats up Alonso right now. Dude like Jon Gruden and killed his mystique coming back.
Fwiw, as someone that just started watching in recent years and wasn’t paying any attention during his heyday, alonso has always come across to me as a whiny, self-absorbed prick that’s nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:58 am to Open Your Eyes
It’s even worse considering he’s 40.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:30 am to STLhog
Dude just comes across bitter and not likeable. I would maybe give him some room because comebacks are hard but Ocon shouldn’t be beating a world champion level driver.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:50 am to siliconvalleytiger
Ive grown to like Alonso more now than in the past. He is/was a cut throat driver that did absolutely everything to win, some shady.
Alonso probably should/could have won one or two more championships than he did. Imagine that is a bitter pill to take especially when his last stint at Mclaren went to poorly compared to Mclaren before and after that stay.
Ocon could be that good though or it is just early for Alonso to get up to speed.
Alonso probably should/could have won one or two more championships than he did. Imagine that is a bitter pill to take especially when his last stint at Mclaren went to poorly compared to Mclaren before and after that stay.
Ocon could be that good though or it is just early for Alonso to get up to speed.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:00 pm to fightin tigers
Age usually shows on the track. We’re talking mili seconds in reaction times. I recall when Schumacher came back. Still fast but not nearly the same driver.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:50 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Alonso showing some humility, while making some excuses as well.
Alonso: My 100% now still not enough to match "impressive" Ocon
Alonso: My 100% now still not enough to match "impressive" Ocon
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:14 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
I just realized that DAS zones are controversial. Was listening to a former championship winner and he said he wanted them removed because they dilute mistakes in the race and are more dangerous
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:26 pm to athenslife101
Assuming you mean DRS zones.
They are very controversial. Some will say that passing will not happen without the zones, others will say that without DRS drivers will be forced to to race instead of waiting for the easy pass.
Would like to see a few races like Silverstone, Spa, COTA try to do away to see what happens.
These cars are so evenly matched and the drivers are so good that passing in dirty air is becoming almost impossible.
Length of DRS zones can make or break a race too. Last year for Portugal (maybe Imola) the DRS was way too long, this year they fixed it. Made it much better to see car position and an actual pass at the corner. If the pass is completed before the start of the corner the DRS is too long.
They are very controversial. Some will say that passing will not happen without the zones, others will say that without DRS drivers will be forced to to race instead of waiting for the easy pass.
Would like to see a few races like Silverstone, Spa, COTA try to do away to see what happens.
These cars are so evenly matched and the drivers are so good that passing in dirty air is becoming almost impossible.
Length of DRS zones can make or break a race too. Last year for Portugal (maybe Imola) the DRS was way too long, this year they fixed it. Made it much better to see car position and an actual pass at the corner. If the pass is completed before the start of the corner the DRS is too long.
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:28 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Fwiw, as someone that just started watching in recent years and wasn’t paying any attention during his heyday, alonso has always come across to me as a whiny, self-absorbed prick that’s nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:35 pm to fightin tigers
I did mean DRS.
The former driver though was like “there’s a good chance Hamilton would not have done as well as he has if not for drs this season and the championship race would be completely different.
The former driver though was like “there’s a good chance Hamilton would not have done as well as he has if not for drs this season and the championship race would be completely different.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:49 pm to fightin tigers
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These cars are so evenly matched and the drivers are so good that passing in dirty air is becoming almost impossible.
I'm not sure about now, but a few years ago drivers were saying that it was so hard to follow cars around corners in dirty air that you could be a second a lap faster than the guy in front of you and still not be able to pass him without DRS.
The new aero rules may help.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/formula-1s-2021-regulations-what-will-the-cars-look-like-in-2022-5278037/5278037/
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The largest difference to the 2022 F1 aerodynamics package is the return to a ground-effect formula. Ground-effect underbody tunnels have not been permitted in Formula 1 since 1982, but the calls for their reintroduction have become rather loud in recent years.
F1 has sought to reduce the current reliance on wings for downforce, which have been blamed for the "dirty air" that makes close-quarters racing difficult in modern racing, which made the idea of a return to ground effects more attractive to the rulemakers.
They are finally following IndyCar's lead with the underbody tunnels.
I think this is also going to drastically change the mechanical setup of the cars (the bigger wheels / low profile tires will also contribute to this). The flat-bottom F1 cars are very pitch sensitive so they have very stiff suspensions. You have to drive them very smoothly, whereas in IndyCar they say you can manhandle them and throw them around. I think we may see that the new cars are going to suit some drivers much better than others. Remember in 2014 when Vettel went from ruling the world to struggling to beat his own teammate? I'm curious to see if we'll see big swings in driver dominance next year. Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:18 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
They mentioned this weekend that 1.8s was needed to pass. Which is crazy.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 9:44 am to TouchedTheAxeIn82
F1 and the WEC have spent millions and years of complicated “development” to basically not have to admit they’re following the path of indycar and IMSA. It pains them to think the “Americans” had a good idea.
Especially the FIA with their needlessly complicated Hypercar fiasco.
Especially the FIA with their needlessly complicated Hypercar fiasco.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 2:04 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
Romain Grosjean was a guest on this podcast that was just posted. He gets into specifics about the difference in driving style between F1 and IndyCar. It's interesting if you follow both F1 and IndyCar.
https://the-race.com/indycar/podcast-grosjean-on-his-start-to-life-in-indycar/
A couple of comments he made:
With refueling in IndyCar, you're pushing hard in every stint because the car is light, and there are generally more pit stops in IndyCar, so you can drive the tires harder and not "save" them. I guess because there's no refueling in F1, there's an emphasis on keeping the pit stops to a minimum. (I hate that at some tracks, a one-stop race is feasible.)
I think he was saying that in F1 the speed comes from the aero, so the adjustments are limited, whereas in IndyCar there are more mechanical adjustments you can make to make the car faster and handle to the driver's preference. This goes to the discussion about why Red Bull can't find a driver that can keep up with Max. Maybe the aero configuration, which is optimized to Max's preferences, is difficult for the other drivers, and there is a limited amount of adjustment they can do to make the car handle more to the other drivers' preferences.
https://the-race.com/indycar/podcast-grosjean-on-his-start-to-life-in-indycar/
A couple of comments he made:
With refueling in IndyCar, you're pushing hard in every stint because the car is light, and there are generally more pit stops in IndyCar, so you can drive the tires harder and not "save" them. I guess because there's no refueling in F1, there's an emphasis on keeping the pit stops to a minimum. (I hate that at some tracks, a one-stop race is feasible.)
I think he was saying that in F1 the speed comes from the aero, so the adjustments are limited, whereas in IndyCar there are more mechanical adjustments you can make to make the car faster and handle to the driver's preference. This goes to the discussion about why Red Bull can't find a driver that can keep up with Max. Maybe the aero configuration, which is optimized to Max's preferences, is difficult for the other drivers, and there is a limited amount of adjustment they can do to make the car handle more to the other drivers' preferences.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:34 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
In my opinion, I think what GRO said is what makes Indy more fun to watch at times compared to F1. In Indy, the competition is more balanced in certain aspects and the same one or two drivers are not winning every race. It gets frustrating and boring to watch F1 because it’s the same one or Two winning every race. I’m a fan of both Indy but Indy is not as predictable as F1
Posted on 5/12/21 at 11:34 pm to CobraCommander83
If we got Drive to Survive episodes real time that wouldn’t be the case
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:15 am to Open Your Eyes
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alonso has always come across to me as a whiny, self-absorbed prick that’s nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
If you watch old videos on YouTube, you can see when we was super talented. That said, he does seem like a complete a-hole.
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