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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:38 am to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:38 am to BottomlandBrew
And they are cheap
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:52 am to Open Your Eyes
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Along those lines, who is better at their craft:
Hamilton as a driver or Wolff as team principal?
Tough, but good question. I think Hamilton is better at his craft, but Wolff isn't far behind. There will be business books and courses written on the past decade inside the Brackley office. Their ability to adapt so quickly is unreal.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:12 am to BottomlandBrew
I didn't know much about Hamilton until I started following this year. All I knew is he won almost every week and that reminds me of hating JJ and Gordon in NASCAR.
Then I watched a video about how he damn near won a title as a rookie and you can't really argue with that. I might not care for him as a person or for a Merc stranglehold on the sport, but you can't deny his amazing talent.
Then I watched a video about how he damn near won a title as a rookie and you can't really argue with that. I might not care for him as a person or for a Merc stranglehold on the sport, but you can't deny his amazing talent.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:25 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:They're both exceptional. That's how you get 7 straight championships, and 6/7 for Hamilton. It's not one person being great.
who is better at their craft:
Hamilton as a driver or Wolff as team principal?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:43 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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That's how you get 7 straight championships, and 6/7 for Hamilton. It's not one person being great.
And Ross Brawn giving them years advantage than all other teams.
Hamilton’s a prick, but talented... but he’s had a superior car to everyone in the field for the last 7yrs. Red Bull is finally just about equal and they keep shooting themselves in the foot.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 9:44 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:53 am to Lsut81
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but he’s had a superior car to everyone in the field for the last 7yrs. Red Bull is finally just about equal and they keep shooting themselves in the foot.
When I started watching 4 years ago the Ferrari was, at worst, equal to the Mercedes. They were just even worse with strategy than Red Bull is now. They had a strong car in 2019 as well when leclerc dominated Bahrain until mechanical problems and they won 3 straight races in the middle part of the year.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 9:57 am to Open Your Eyes
Ferrari's frickups are legendary. They're the train wreck you love to watch.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:04 am to Open Your Eyes
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They had a strong car in 2019 as well when leclerc dominated Bahrain until mechanical problems and they won 3 straight races in the middle part of the year.
An illegal car... that’s why they sucked so bad last year.
Shows the crookedness of the FIA that they never released the findings or penalties for Ferrari
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:04 am to Open Your Eyes
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hey had a strong car in 2019 as well when leclerc dominated Bahrain until mechanical problems and they won 3 straight races in the middle part of the year.
You realize they were breaking the rules in 2019 right?
The fact that Bottas is in the mix for most podiums and wins quite a bit should show everyone just how dominant the Merc is.
It's really, really hard to judge Hamilton purely as a driver in that car and that team.
Look how good Rosberg was in it as well.
I'm still super suspicious overall though, Hamilton joins them out of nowhere after McLaren, literally shocking eveyrone and they go on this ridiculous run.
It's just hard to belive but then again RB did it with the most boring driver personality of all time so I guess its possible.
It's also funny how as hard as it is to believe, some of these teams are just totally incompetent. We like to think they're savy, high tech euro strategists but its really just a bunch of grown aged kids blasting around with massive multi million dollar racing budgets.
I mean how hard is it to get pitting etc correct on race day? Unreal how many total frick ups these teams have pitting.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:12 am to STLhog
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It's really, really hard to judge Hamilton purely as a driver in that car and that team.
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I'm still super suspicious overall though, Hamilton joins them out of nowhere after McLaren, literally shocking eveyrone and they go on this ridiculous run.
Yup, I think we got a glimpse when Russell got to drive Hamiltons car. I dont think Hamilton will ever let that happen again.
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It's just hard to belive but then again RB did it with the most boring driver personality of all time so I guess its possible.
And dont forget that Mercedes hired the performance guy from red bull right before this run. That guy must know something(think he is retired now).
Which makes it kind of funny that red bull just plucked mercedes power unit engineer.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:15 am to kengel2
Kind of a bummer that all the behind the scenes stuff in F1 is 10x more interesting than the actual races are.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:25 am to Lsut81
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An illegal car... that’s why they sucked so bad last year.
So they had a better car than they were supposed to be allowed, and you think that somehow diminishes Mercedes success against them that year?
What’s your answer for 2018?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:28 am to Open Your Eyes
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So they had a better car than they were supposed to be allowed, and you think that somehow diminishes Mercedes success against them that year?
What are you taking about?
I’m explaining why Ferrari even was able to compete with Merc, because their car broke the rules...
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:30 am to Lsut81
Reposting BlueWaffles summary of why Merc is so dominate for all the newcomers
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The TLDR version: they’re better because of the name: ROSS BRAWN Most current F1 teams are on the grid as repackaged versions of older teams sold off... This current Mercedes team actually started in the 70s as Tyrell Racing. A successful team w/ Sir Jackie Stewart winning a bunch of ships... They sold to British American Tobacco (BAT) around 2000 and they partnered with Honda for engines. Longer story short(ish),Honda buys the team outright in 2006 — weren’t very successful, but were the first team to start development on a KERS (Hybrid) system in 2007 and Hired a guy named Ross Brawn as technical director. [Brawn was The man behind Michael Schumacher’s success @ Ferrari.] After only 3 years, Honda abruptly pulled out of F1 citing the financial crisis, and sold the team outright to Brawn. Brawn has been working on the aero for the 2009 season in all of 2008 considering that season a wash. Then he partners w/ Mercedes for engines. He Shows up with a mostly sponsorless car in 2009 and Wins the drivers & constructors championships after exploiting an aero loophole. Search: “Double Diffuser” He sells the team outright to Mercedes in 2010, and remained there for a bit (I believe he’s still a minority partner even though he’s Sporting Director is F1 now).... So it’s believed a combo of Mercedes dumping millions into the team + having a leg up (5+ years developing a hybrid engine on the field) + Brawn’s “rules expertise” ....when the new Hybrid powered turbo engines (KERS) Regs came fo be in 2014, Mercedes had every competitive advantage possible. And they’ve won every single constructors and drivers championship since. End Story time/
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:35 am to STLhog
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The fact that Bottas is in the mix for most podiums and wins quite a bit should show everyone just how dominant the Merc is.
Bottas really only won races last year. No one questions the dominance of Mercedes last year.
This year he hasn’t been anywhere close to winning, or even beating verstappen. In 2018 he didn’t win a single race and finished 5th in the driver standings.
He’s been in one of the 2 or 4 best cars every year he’s been at Mercedes, of course he’s going to compete for podiums. He’s not elite but he’s still very good, and certainly not a massive frick up.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:35 am to Lsut81
quote:What's the deal with this word on this site?
so dominate
Dominate is a verb, dominant is the adjective.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:38 am to Lsut81
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I’m explaining why Ferrari even was able to compete with Merc, because their car broke the rules...
Your entire premise is that Hamilton is only good because he’s always had clearly the best car. In 2019, because they were cheating, Ferrari had a car that was arguably as good as Mercedes. And Hamilton still beat them regularly throughout the year.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:42 am to Open Your Eyes
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Your entire premise is that Hamilton is only good because he’s always had clearly the best car. In 2019, because they were cheating, Ferrari had a car that was arguably as good as Mercedes. And Hamilton still beat them regularly throughout the year.
Nothing I said indicates Ferraris car was better... Mercedes still had the best car, as they have for the past 7yrs. I’m simply showing that even though Ferrari cheated they still didn’t have a better car.
And the drivers know it... hence Max’s presser comment to Hamilton “let’s trade cars and see” or the fact that Russell gets in the car for one weekend and dominated all weekend, only losing Bc of Mercedes mysteriously screwing up the tire change with him and Bottas.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:52 am to Lsut81
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Nothing I said indicates Ferraris car was better...
I haven’t said Ferrari’s car was better or accused you of saying it either.
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Mercedes still had the best car, as they have for the past 7yrs.
Still waiting for you to address 2018.
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I’m simply showing that even though Ferrari cheated they still didn’t have a better car.
You’re not though. You’re just showing that you have this blinding rage of Hamilton that prevents you from being objective
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And the drivers know it... hence Max’s presser comment to Hamilton “let’s trade cars and see” or the fact that Russell gets in the car for one weekend and dominated all weekend, only losing Bc of Mercedes mysteriously screwing up the tire change with him and Bottas.
“No one questions the dominance of Mercedes last year”
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:28 am to Open Your Eyes
RBR first 4 races
‘20 Alex -DNF/4/5/8
‘21 Checo - 5/11/4/5
‘20 Alex -DNF/4/5/8
‘21 Checo - 5/11/4/5
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