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re: Father of UCLA guard Lonzo Ball makes racist comment for why UCLA lost in the tourney

Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:27 am to
Posted by ptper09
Member since Mar 2014
166 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:27 am to
Old man Ball just ruined any shot Lonzo had for a John Deere deal!
Thanks dad...
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
8933 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:53 am to
His comment may be racist but generally it is correct.

The white guys of UCLA did look a bit slower than the black guys of Kentucky. But his son being outplayed was just as big a key to the loss. If their was no truth to the statement where are all the white cornerbacks, safeties, running backs, wide receivers (I know some exist, but the elites are black) in the NFL and in the NBA the elite quick guys are black such as Wall, Westbrook, Curry, and Harden. Some can be half white but not all white. The last uber quick white guy in the NBA shocked viewers so much he earned two undeserved MVP's (Nash)

I know this will get a lot of down votes but most people are not honest in race differences. I've been helping coach high school football for 12 years and I can see averages and anomalies. I've seen 40+ elite quick athletes through the years and only two were white and the rest were black. On those teams the breakdown was 55% white/45% black.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130928 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:59 am to
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And yet Duke wins nattys and they're pretty damn white



In Dook's last title, the starting lineup was mostly black.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32304 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:00 am to
Except, the white guys played well while his son didn't.

This is the ball family, deflect! Deflect!
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162938 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:00 am to
quote:

Is he wrong?


in CBB? Very wrong.

am I outraged? No.

I hate when people constantly bitch about today's PC climate but when crap like this comes up they want to have faux outrage.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35565 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:06 am to
His comment was not that black players are better. His comment was that you can't win with 3 white players.

That is demonstrably false. Duke has done it. Wisconsin made the finals with 4 white starters, beating an almost all black Kentucky team in the semifinals.

Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:07 am to
quote:

This is the ball family, deflect! Deflect!



Indeed
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
8933 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:12 am to
quote:


That is demonstrably false. Duke has done it. Wisconsin made the finals with 4 white starters, beating an almost all black Kentucky team in the semifinals.


A team of Juniors and Seniors beat a team of freshmen. So the 20-22 year olds playing together for 3+ years beat a team of 18 year olds playing together for one year.

I do agree his comment is about deflection. But also true.
Posted by Dissident Aggressor
Member since Aug 2011
5668 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:29 am to
You cant win no grammar quiz bowl with Lavar Ball's intellect...
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
8249 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 11:47 am to
You are totally correct. The same thing many blame for disadvantages now is the same thing that led to frequent athletic advantages. Who gives a shite. Not everyone can be a CEO of a Fortune 500 or a pro athlete.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
32183 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:02 pm to
Jimmy the Greek was fired and crucified for this sort of thing.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
66699 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:13 pm to
TJ Leaf is a baller. I don't care what color he is. Bryce Alford, otoh, is awful Ball has a point about him. Thomas Welsh is serviceable with a good surrounding cast. Neither a plus nor a minus on his own.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42368 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:14 pm to
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If I'm Alford and UCLA, I'm happy he's gone. Not sure if I want his other kids ruining my program


Well he's gone another coming in for next year, and the last one in 3 years.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42368 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

In Dook's last title, the starting lineup was mostly black


I would bet that in most if not all of K's NC's at Duke, the majority of the star players were black. It's not like he's trotting out a fab 5 of honkey's.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:33 pm to
This guy is highly skilled at riling people up. Donald Trump of b-ball dads.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108047 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

The white guys of UCLA did look a bit slower than the black guys of Kentucky.


No, no they did not.

Leaf had 17 points, 13 rebounds, and 5 assists in the first matchup against Kentucky when they won. He had another 17 points and 7 rebounds in the NCAA Tournament matchup. Alford had double digits in both matchups.

Fox roasting his arse for 39 points was the tipping point and I guess according to Ball that must've been the white boy in him playing defense amiright?
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 12:50 pm to
Lavar should have a refreshing beverage

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35565 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

A team of Juniors and Seniors beat a team of freshmen. So the 20-22 year olds playing together for 3+ years beat a team of 18 year olds playing together for one year.


Now who's deflecting?

Age is irrelevant to this discussion.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

You can’t win no championship with three white guys. The foot speed is too slow
i like this guy

i wish more people would just say what they think and what they mean. would you rather him bullshite you and say "i think we need more athletes on the team" which is just another way of saying the same thing but insulting your intelligence?

wes welker is a gym rat. they mean white, but they have to BS you

pedro Martinez is feisty. they mean that Hispanics have some attitude and intensity, but they have to BS you.

i think racism can be harmless, funny and true.

geographic diversity, genetic diversity...just the basic laws of natural science. you can acknowledge some things are true and it's not racist and you're not advocating eugenics or anything nuts

This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35565 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 1:38 pm to
I have no issue with him saying blacks are better at basketball. On average, it's obviously true.

However, what he actually said is untrue.

I'm not blasting him for racism or PC reasons. I don't give a shite about that. He's just wrong in this instance.
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