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re: Draft your simple steps to make College Football better as a whole
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:23 pm to VermilionTiger
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:23 pm to VermilionTiger
easy
8 team playoffs with power 5 conference champs ONLY, no other schools from those conferences get in
3 other teams come from best overall record of non power 5 conferences
notre dame does not get in automatically as they try to find an excuse to do every year
this is the most fair way to do it and unlike with bama, ohio state, and sometimes clemson, the rules dont get changed just to create a way for them to get in
also any team that beats its opponent gets reduced strength of schedule credit for blowing out teams by more then 20 points. this may not stop bama from scheduling cupcakes to pad their records but it will cause them to stop playing sister marys school for the blind and retarded if it hurts their rankings to do it
8 team playoffs with power 5 conference champs ONLY, no other schools from those conferences get in
3 other teams come from best overall record of non power 5 conferences
notre dame does not get in automatically as they try to find an excuse to do every year
this is the most fair way to do it and unlike with bama, ohio state, and sometimes clemson, the rules dont get changed just to create a way for them to get in
also any team that beats its opponent gets reduced strength of schedule credit for blowing out teams by more then 20 points. this may not stop bama from scheduling cupcakes to pad their records but it will cause them to stop playing sister marys school for the blind and retarded if it hurts their rankings to do it
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 1:35 pm
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:31 pm to MMauler
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Only one player can wear a number on a team. No more of this B.S. of having 3 different players wear number 5 or 6. It worked for YEARS. If a player wants a single digit number that someone else already has, let him wait until the first kid graduates.
while a agree with the sentiment here, its done like that because you have over 100 players on most teams so you use ever number and still dont have enough numbers for everyone
they "say" uniforms dont have enough room for 3 digit numbers but why not make it where defense and offense cannot use a number more then once so they can have a guy wearing number 5 on offense and defense but you cant have 2 guys on offense sharing the same number
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:55 pm to VermilionTiger
Step 1 - Pam Ward and Beth Mowins must call every game on every network
Posted on 12/16/20 at 3:07 pm to VermilionTiger
People have to quit suggesting relegation/promotion to G5/P5 based on performance. You're jacking with too many sports & traditions for conference play. You can't have a pile of teams playing in a conference for football but another for the rest of their sports. The money split just becomes a nightmare. The reality is that money drives this whole thing. These schools also can't afford to jump out of logical + regional conferences just to join a P5 for football or even all sports. The travel budgets would take a massive chunk of spending that these schools won't make up.
If you're a G5 that IS ready to jump into a P5 conference for all sports, then you do it. If not, stay G5 & the king of the G5. There's still good money to be made until you build your entire Atheltic Dept. up to a level to where you then can move up.
If you're a G5 that IS ready to jump into a P5 conference for all sports, then you do it. If not, stay G5 & the king of the G5. There's still good money to be made until you build your entire Atheltic Dept. up to a level to where you then can move up.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 5:15 pm to VermilionTiger
Its very simple
1. Have a real NCAA tournament with all conference champions getting an auto bid
2. The NFL creates a minor league and lets players get drafted out of HS
3. Go back to early 2000s rules no targeting BS or kickoff BS
4. Stop letting OL lineup 3 yards in the backfield
1. Have a real NCAA tournament with all conference champions getting an auto bid
2. The NFL creates a minor league and lets players get drafted out of HS
3. Go back to early 2000s rules no targeting BS or kickoff BS
4. Stop letting OL lineup 3 yards in the backfield
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 12/16/20 at 6:05 pm to VermilionTiger
All terrible. Scrap the committee. Select the CFP 4 using the BCS with the AP replacing the Harris poll.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 6:23 pm to VermilionTiger
1. Realignment is key. We need regional conferences that do as much as possible to maintain historical rivalries, all having identical numbers of teams, and playing the same number of conference games.
2. Relegation: there’s a lot of FBS teams that should be demoted to FCS, but it would be really interesting to have a relegation system where teams can move up and down through merit over time.
3. Improved playoff system which is no longer reliant on polls or human opinions. Instead, I would base it on conference championships. All conference champions should be in the playoff.
4. More marquee home/at home OOC games.
5. No more FBS vs FCS OOC games.
6. Fewer bowl games, teams must have a winning record to be bowl eligible, and better mix of bowl tie-ins so most conferences get to play most each other conference.
7. “Everybody gets 1” free transfer rule to be immediately eligible. All other transfers for all other reasons must sit out a year or go down to JUCO.
8. End any and all requirements to play a minimum number of years in college before being eligible to be drafted by a professional league team.
9. Players who do go to college must complete at least 4 years in order to be draft eligible (red shirts can give a 5th year of eligibility, but still count as 1 year spent for draft eligibility)
10. No payment of players ever. If they want to get paid beyond housing, healthcare, tuition, and food, they must go play for a professional league.
11. No more drug testing of athletes for marijuana usage.
12. No more buy-out clauses for coaching contracts.
2. Relegation: there’s a lot of FBS teams that should be demoted to FCS, but it would be really interesting to have a relegation system where teams can move up and down through merit over time.
3. Improved playoff system which is no longer reliant on polls or human opinions. Instead, I would base it on conference championships. All conference champions should be in the playoff.
4. More marquee home/at home OOC games.
5. No more FBS vs FCS OOC games.
6. Fewer bowl games, teams must have a winning record to be bowl eligible, and better mix of bowl tie-ins so most conferences get to play most each other conference.
7. “Everybody gets 1” free transfer rule to be immediately eligible. All other transfers for all other reasons must sit out a year or go down to JUCO.
8. End any and all requirements to play a minimum number of years in college before being eligible to be drafted by a professional league team.
9. Players who do go to college must complete at least 4 years in order to be draft eligible (red shirts can give a 5th year of eligibility, but still count as 1 year spent for draft eligibility)
10. No payment of players ever. If they want to get paid beyond housing, healthcare, tuition, and food, they must go play for a professional league.
11. No more drug testing of athletes for marijuana usage.
12. No more buy-out clauses for coaching contracts.
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:52 pm to VermilionTiger
Limiting scholarships per year would help spread out the stars but wouldn’t it also make it harder to rebuild at schools that are Down bc it takes longer to remake the roster? Thus only reinforcing your powerhouses place at the top??
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:56 pm to keakar
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3 other teams come from best overall record of non power 5 conferences
So what do you do when 4 G5 teams have a 11-1 record? Who goes??
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also any team that beats its opponent gets reduced strength of schedule credit for blowing out teams by more then 20 points. this may not stop bama from scheduling cupcakes to pad their records but it will cause them to stop playing sister marys school for the blind and retarded if it hurts their rankings to do
Wat? Wouldn’t this just lead to the ridiculous situation where Saban tries not
To beat a school for the blind by more than 20 points??
Posted on 12/17/20 at 5:49 am to VermilionTiger
1. No more probation for paying players everyone does it be honest about it.
2. Kick vandy out the sec for the stunt they pulled.
3. More Beth mowins
4.expand playoffs to 6 unless A&M in top 6 cut off is 4.
5.use the kickoff from the xfl last year it was safer.
2. Kick vandy out the sec for the stunt they pulled.
3. More Beth mowins
4.expand playoffs to 6 unless A&M in top 6 cut off is 4.
5.use the kickoff from the xfl last year it was safer.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 5:52 am
Posted on 12/17/20 at 7:48 am to VermilionTiger
give all sports 33% roster scholarships.
If a scholarship player leaves before his 4 years are up, the scholarship slot is not replaced until the 4 years is up.
Athletes get same entrance requirements as general student population.
If a player gets the name of the school wrong, he can't go there.
in other words turn the clock back to real student athletes.
If a scholarship player leaves before his 4 years are up, the scholarship slot is not replaced until the 4 years is up.
Athletes get same entrance requirements as general student population.
If a player gets the name of the school wrong, he can't go there.
in other words turn the clock back to real student athletes.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:14 am to VermilionTiger
Have the media quit making every season a "self fulfilling prophecy" by forcing their favorite teams into the playoff despite the fact that those teams lose big games.
Lay out specific parameters about what it takes to make the final four and make every P5 team play by those same standards. No more eye tests.
Simple as that. Done.
Oh, and quit promoting just one or two teams in EVERY segment or every game. When I'm watching Ga Tech vs Wake Forest, for example, I don't want to see multiple segments during the game about USC, Michigan, Bama, or Clemson.
Lay out specific parameters about what it takes to make the final four and make every P5 team play by those same standards. No more eye tests.
Simple as that. Done.
Oh, and quit promoting just one or two teams in EVERY segment or every game. When I'm watching Ga Tech vs Wake Forest, for example, I don't want to see multiple segments during the game about USC, Michigan, Bama, or Clemson.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:46 am to keakar
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while a agree with the sentiment here, its done like that because you have over 100 players on most teams so you use ever number and still dont have enough numbers for everyone
That's not the reason why.
I don't think that these schools really care about giving a walk-on who will never play in a million years a number.
The real reason is that these pampered kids want to be promised that they'll get to wear their high school or favorite number when they're being recruited. It's all about ego.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:56 am to kingbob
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1. Realignment is key. We need regional conferences that do as much as possible to maintain historical rivalries, all having identical numbers of teams, and playing the same number of conference games.
2. Relegation: there’s a lot of FBS teams that should be demoted to FCS, but it would be really interesting to have a relegation system where teams can move up and down through merit over time.
3. Improved playoff system which is no longer reliant on polls or human opinions. Instead, I would base it on conference championships. All conference champions should be in the playoff.
4. More marquee home/at home OOC games.
5. No more FBS vs FCS OOC games.
6. Fewer bowl games, teams must have a winning record to be bowl eligible, and better mix of bowl tie-ins so most conferences get to play most each other conference.
7. “Everybody gets 1” free transfer rule to be immediately eligible. All other transfers for all other reasons must sit out a year or go down to JUCO.
8. End any and all requirements to play a minimum number of years in college before being eligible to be drafted by a professional league team.
9. Players who do go to college must complete at least 4 years in order to be draft eligible (red shirts can give a 5th year of eligibility, but still count as 1 year spent for draft eligibility)
10. No payment of players ever. If they want to get paid beyond housing, healthcare, tuition, and food, they must go play for a professional league.
11. No more drug testing of athletes for marijuana usage.
12. No more buy-out clauses for coaching contracts.
Agree with all of these except 12.
Relegation and promotion would be amazing. It'll never happen, but could you imagine wanting to tune into a Vanderbilt game to see if they lose and get relegated to a G5 league?
Absolutely too much money tied into bigger conferences for that to every happen. P5 teams would never be ok with being relegated to a G5 conference and missing out on their P5 conference TV money.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:19 am to Baers Foot
Relegation wouldn’t be between p5 and g5, but between FBS and FCS.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:30 am to VermilionTiger
The top 25 G5 programs would bust the bottom 25 P5 programs on a yearly basis. Especially if played at the G5’s hone field.
To act like the middle 50 teams in FBS are not within a 10 point swing in any game is ignorant. The only difference is that the bottom of the P5 gets propped up by the $40M in conference revenue.
To act like the middle 50 teams in FBS are not within a 10 point swing in any game is ignorant. The only difference is that the bottom of the P5 gets propped up by the $40M in conference revenue.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:37 am to kingbob
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Relegation wouldn’t be between p5 and g5, but between FBS and FCS.
BaersFoot's dream relegation ladder:
P5 <--> G5 <--> FCS
Posted on 12/17/20 at 9:59 am to Baers Foot
What I would do is split the G5. The elite programs stay with the P5 and conferences are formed which are relatively equal, or at least not that much worse than say, the Pac 12.
The bottom-feeder G5 teams would go back to FCS where they belong. Every so often (4, 8, or 10 years) would be relegation/realignment season as teams can be eligible for being moved down or up depending on record over the previous period. It sets up “Relegation Bowls” between the teams eligible to be moved down and those eligible to move up. The winning team gets to be in FBS, the loser in FCS.
Can you imagine in 10 years Kansas playing in a Bowl Game against North Dakota St where the winner gets a shot at being in the Big 12?
If a team like App St was demoted to FCS, imagine them playing a relegation bowl game verses Vandy to get into the SEC.
The bottom-feeder G5 teams would go back to FCS where they belong. Every so often (4, 8, or 10 years) would be relegation/realignment season as teams can be eligible for being moved down or up depending on record over the previous period. It sets up “Relegation Bowls” between the teams eligible to be moved down and those eligible to move up. The winning team gets to be in FBS, the loser in FCS.
Can you imagine in 10 years Kansas playing in a Bowl Game against North Dakota St where the winner gets a shot at being in the Big 12?
If a team like App St was demoted to FCS, imagine them playing a relegation bowl game verses Vandy to get into the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:33 am to VermilionTiger
1. Eliminate celebration penalties. The game is supposed to be fun after all.
2. Make targeting a two tiered penalty. Have a 5-yard variety and 15-yard variety with ejection.
3. Separate P5 and G5, but I would expand P5 to about 80 teams. I do think there are about 10-15 schools outside of the P5 that can compete. Talking about schools like Houston, Cincy, Memphis, Boise St, BYU, UCF, USF types.
4. Point 3 leads into this one, agree with others on this thread, reduce annual schollys to 20 or maybe 22 per year. Allows the wealth to be spread some. CFB needs more schools to have the ability to really compete.
5. Move to 10 conference games, 2 OOC. All within G5.
6. Move to 8-team playoff. Five conference champs, three at large. If you move to 80 teams, everyone has a shot in this format.
2. Make targeting a two tiered penalty. Have a 5-yard variety and 15-yard variety with ejection.
3. Separate P5 and G5, but I would expand P5 to about 80 teams. I do think there are about 10-15 schools outside of the P5 that can compete. Talking about schools like Houston, Cincy, Memphis, Boise St, BYU, UCF, USF types.
4. Point 3 leads into this one, agree with others on this thread, reduce annual schollys to 20 or maybe 22 per year. Allows the wealth to be spread some. CFB needs more schools to have the ability to really compete.
5. Move to 10 conference games, 2 OOC. All within G5.
6. Move to 8-team playoff. Five conference champs, three at large. If you move to 80 teams, everyone has a shot in this format.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:40 am to VermilionTiger
This is a general suggestion that I have no clue how to implement, but I would love to see college football stop revolving around money
All of the changes that have been made recently that people hate, are all a result of the chase of the almighty dollar. Super schools, conference realignment, the changing of the playoffs, etc..... they have all been done in hopes to generate more cash for the sport and it drives me insane. Good football sells itself. We don’t need the ncaa and the conferences trying to ‘manufacture’ a season to generate revenue. NO. Let the great game of football sell itself
Also, I would love to see some sort of way to encourage players and coaches to stay at their institutions until their eligibility and/or contracts run out. Instilling in these kids that they can just up and leave when things get rough is a bad idea, and it’s only getting worse.
As far as the media, ESPN either needs to be abolished or they really need to try harder to cover more than just the top schools. I know they rely on ratings and that this point can be lumped in with my original point, but the media needs to be overhauled as well
Overall, I’d say the product of collegiate football is going down, and it’s because there are too many greedy hands in the cookie jar
All of the changes that have been made recently that people hate, are all a result of the chase of the almighty dollar. Super schools, conference realignment, the changing of the playoffs, etc..... they have all been done in hopes to generate more cash for the sport and it drives me insane. Good football sells itself. We don’t need the ncaa and the conferences trying to ‘manufacture’ a season to generate revenue. NO. Let the great game of football sell itself
Also, I would love to see some sort of way to encourage players and coaches to stay at their institutions until their eligibility and/or contracts run out. Instilling in these kids that they can just up and leave when things get rough is a bad idea, and it’s only getting worse.
As far as the media, ESPN either needs to be abolished or they really need to try harder to cover more than just the top schools. I know they rely on ratings and that this point can be lumped in with my original point, but the media needs to be overhauled as well
Overall, I’d say the product of collegiate football is going down, and it’s because there are too many greedy hands in the cookie jar
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