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re: Draft your simple steps to make College Football better as a whole
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:27 am to SpartyGator
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:27 am to SpartyGator
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10 conference games and 2 p5 ooc games
This just seems impossible to enforce
10 games, yes. But how can you enforce the 2 OOC P5 games?
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:30 am to VermilionTiger
All OOC games played prior to conference play. No more of the SEC shite where all the relevant teams play The Citadel or Charleston Southern week 9.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:32 am to VermilionTiger
My pie in the sky vision.
Take the P5 and reorg them into the P4
Play 10 games in conference and have 2 weekends per year designated as Conference Rivalry Weekend where they all play teams from other conferences.
Play your 4 conference title games and the 4 conference champions have a 4 team playoff for the Championship.
Take the P5 and reorg them into the P4
Play 10 games in conference and have 2 weekends per year designated as Conference Rivalry Weekend where they all play teams from other conferences.
Play your 4 conference title games and the 4 conference champions have a 4 team playoff for the Championship.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:37 am to VermilionTiger
College football really is at a low point in my opinion. Initially, I'd say expand the Playoffs. However, at the end of the day, it is ultimately a waste of time/games as they same handful will be left standing - i.e., Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State.
You want to make college football better? Tell Nick Saban to retire.
You want to make college football better? Tell Nick Saban to retire.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:40 am to VermilionTiger
Add each P5 conference should play 10 conference games one PF OOC game and one G5 game
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:49 am to crazyLSUstudent
I think it would be awesome if P5 schools adopted the B1G Championship Week model they are using this year. Every team in the league gets matched up for a game against the corresponding cross-division standing. In a normal year, all teams play the same number of games and this helps eliminates some of the potential of a team benefitting in the CFP polls of teams being rewarded for not making their conference championship game
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:57 am to VermilionTiger
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But you’re not
85 scholarship limit is still there
20 per class
Put a cap on transfer limits
25*4 = 100, 15 over the limit already
20*4 = 80
Allow additional transfer scholarships to fill the gap
How do you replace your inevitable attrition?
If every team could only sign 20, they'd be way under 85 in reality.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 9:59 am to MMauler
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Eliminate Number 0
Only one player can wear a number on a team. No more of this B.S. of having 3 different players where number 5 or 6. It worked for YEARS. If a player wants a single digit number that someone else already has, let him wait until the first kid graduates.
Is that you, Rick Burgess?
Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:08 am to Crowknowsbest
Read the last line of the post you quoted
Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:44 am to VermilionTiger
16 team playoff with all the conference champions, with seeding based on strength of conference derived from the past 4 performances of teams from those conferences in the playoffs, like they do for the UEFA Champions League. Also add promotion and relegation with power 5 having a corresponding G5 conference.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 10:53 am to ClampClampington
There are 130 FBS teams.
Take the 5 P5 Conferences and make 6 of them, all should have 11 teams and should play a 10 game round robin season. Allow 2 OOC games against anyone you want that way you can keep traditional rivalries alive. Only conference record matters when crowing a champ. In case of ties, a BCS computer type ranking will decide the tie breaker by ranking all teams based on entire schedule.
Conference champions go to playoffs. top 2 get a bye, done by rankings from computer.
Have your 5 G5 conferences, and make them 6 conferences as well, all should have 11 teams in them. No independents. will need to promote 2 FCS teams to FBS. Same rules as P5 tourney.
If you win your G5 conference, you get promoted to the corresponding P5 conference. Last place in P5 conference moves down to G5. In case of ties, shittier team in rankings is relegated.
See you later Vandy, Kansas, and Rutgers.
I do understand that this would never happen b/c teams like Kansas and Vandy would get relegated, and would cause them to lose out on a lot of revenue, and would end up making it hard for their athletic departments to fund other sports. But i think this would make the season much more fun, while still keeping the traditions of college football.
They could do a bowl draft for the non playoff teams. You could take the #2 teams from each P5 conference, 4 teams in all play and the two bowls get to pick the matchup. You take the #3/4 teams in each P5 conference, 12 teams, and you have 6 bowls there that get to pick the matchup. You then take the #5 team and match them up with the #2 teams from the G5 conferences, 6 more bowls. Then you have teams #6,7 and 8 from the P5 conferences and , #3, 4, and 5 from the G5 schools, 18 bowls, and have each bowl pick their matchup. You have a tier of bowls where each of them take turns picking first and so forth each year. That would pretty much fill all the available bowl games we usually have.
Take the 5 P5 Conferences and make 6 of them, all should have 11 teams and should play a 10 game round robin season. Allow 2 OOC games against anyone you want that way you can keep traditional rivalries alive. Only conference record matters when crowing a champ. In case of ties, a BCS computer type ranking will decide the tie breaker by ranking all teams based on entire schedule.
Conference champions go to playoffs. top 2 get a bye, done by rankings from computer.
Have your 5 G5 conferences, and make them 6 conferences as well, all should have 11 teams in them. No independents. will need to promote 2 FCS teams to FBS. Same rules as P5 tourney.
If you win your G5 conference, you get promoted to the corresponding P5 conference. Last place in P5 conference moves down to G5. In case of ties, shittier team in rankings is relegated.
See you later Vandy, Kansas, and Rutgers.
I do understand that this would never happen b/c teams like Kansas and Vandy would get relegated, and would cause them to lose out on a lot of revenue, and would end up making it hard for their athletic departments to fund other sports. But i think this would make the season much more fun, while still keeping the traditions of college football.
They could do a bowl draft for the non playoff teams. You could take the #2 teams from each P5 conference, 4 teams in all play and the two bowls get to pick the matchup. You take the #3/4 teams in each P5 conference, 12 teams, and you have 6 bowls there that get to pick the matchup. You then take the #5 team and match them up with the #2 teams from the G5 conferences, 6 more bowls. Then you have teams #6,7 and 8 from the P5 conferences and , #3, 4, and 5 from the G5 schools, 18 bowls, and have each bowl pick their matchup. You have a tier of bowls where each of them take turns picking first and so forth each year. That would pretty much fill all the available bowl games we usually have.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:11 am to ClampClampington
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B1G Championship Week
The big ten fricked up a lot of things but I do think this was a good idea. Even with some makeup games...cool to match up teams opposite divisions.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:17 am to VermilionTiger
Give Alabama the death penalty
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:21 am to VermilionTiger
Hold the players to actual academic standards. Ensure they attend real classes. Require them to meet admissions standards. Reduce the amount of time they are made to dedicate to football.
If 60% of them can't hack it, let the NFL finance a minor league.
The whole of college football is a joke.
If 60% of them can't hack it, let the NFL finance a minor league.
The whole of college football is a joke.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:42 am to VermilionTiger
Well they fricked up going the playoff route but now that they have a couple simple fixes need to be made
1) either g5 separates and has 8 team playoff in p5 and g5 or you go 16 total. Keeps players more interested and limits opt outs going forward due to more teams having a chance at winning something.
2) want parity to make it more competitive? Lower scholarships to 60-65. 70 should be max. Reat should be walk ons.
3) limit classes to a hard number of 20
Again the above two are about limiting schools from stacking talent and spreading it out more to levels like the 90s had.
4) 8 conference games, 1 p5 and 1 g5 game. If g5 splits go 10 conference and 1 p5 game. Has to have some uniformity.
5) limit on off the field personnel like analyst. Limit is applied equally across all schools.
6) if p5 splits from. G5, the stipend needs to be exactly the same across the board.
7) transfers- 1 free transfer from p5 to g5, otherwise must sit out a year, no exceptions. In conference should be 2 years. grad transfers still apply.
8) uniform drug policy across p5 with weed not being a punishable offense.
1) either g5 separates and has 8 team playoff in p5 and g5 or you go 16 total. Keeps players more interested and limits opt outs going forward due to more teams having a chance at winning something.
2) want parity to make it more competitive? Lower scholarships to 60-65. 70 should be max. Reat should be walk ons.
3) limit classes to a hard number of 20
Again the above two are about limiting schools from stacking talent and spreading it out more to levels like the 90s had.
4) 8 conference games, 1 p5 and 1 g5 game. If g5 splits go 10 conference and 1 p5 game. Has to have some uniformity.
5) limit on off the field personnel like analyst. Limit is applied equally across all schools.
6) if p5 splits from. G5, the stipend needs to be exactly the same across the board.
7) transfers- 1 free transfer from p5 to g5, otherwise must sit out a year, no exceptions. In conference should be 2 years. grad transfers still apply.
8) uniform drug policy across p5 with weed not being a punishable offense.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:42 am to lsu777
This is what I wrote in other thread
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I was against the playoff to begin with as I thought and still feel like it diminishes everything else, but what is done is done and you can't put the genie back in the bottle, so how do we fix this.
From a logistical side-
Regular season is 10 games again. 8 conference games plus one p5 occ game is required.
Expand the playoffs to 16- the five p5 conference champs plus the a guaranteed minimum of two spots for g5 schools. 9 at large bids. First round, higher seed host. Second round host is any team who didn't host 1st round or higher seed if both favored teams win. Do this on the Saturday before Christmas.
Semi-finals are on jan 1st at rose bowl and sugar bowl Or the better idea is you do second round of 8 on Jan 1st taking back the day to be a mega event with 4 games starting at 10am that morning, essentially immediately following rose bowl parade. Make Jan 1 a fricking spectacular event. A mega event.
Times are ET
1-cotton@ 10
2-orange@ 1:30
3-rose@ 5
4-sugar@ 8
Semi-final is second Saturday in January, finals are played 9 days later on a Monday night. Semi-finals are at the higher seeds home stadium as a reward for the regular season. Finals can be bid out like the superbowl. If you spread it out and play games like below and put finals the weekend before the super owl when NFL is off, it needs to be celebrated like the superbowl. Make a huge event with a huge half time show etc.
Or you spread it out and semi finals are 3rd Saturday in January and finals are week before super bowl. Doubt presidents would go for a season lasting that far into the second semester though.
This fixes many of the issues with the playoff or bust mentality, keeps players more engaged, stops regions of the country having little interest due to not being involved and it stops some of these insane fan expectations.
I mean we have people on this board that believe pj fleck isn't a good coach because he isn't replicating last years 11 win season....at fricking Minnesota. We have people that think Jeff tedford and Mike belloti are bad coaches despite both having the most wins in cal and Oregon history. Its a but did you win a NC mentality with fans, especially those of schools that are in contention that has to go. Its fricking nuts. Many fans on this board have a believe that means only Saban, Meyer and Dabo are successful coaches. Its insane and has to stop, this would be a big step toward that.
To fix the issue of domination by one or two teams....
With the growth of national recruiting and scouting services the best teams are stock piling talent at rates not seen since the bear Bryant days. How do we fix this? Do the same thing they did last time, we lower scholarship numbers. Needs to be lower to atleast 70 but prolly needs to be 60-65.
You can have walk ons and legit academic scholarship players. By legit I mean it should be a national standard that if you meet certain requirements, let's say a 3.5+ GPA and a 27+ act score, you are eligible for a academic scholarship. Notice i said eligible, doesn't mean you auto get one or must take it, but its an option. Let's say you have a 5 star qb in Atlanta with a 4.0 and a 32 act, he can stay in state, take hope scholly us other academic scholarships from the UGA if he wants or he can get all of that plus football scholarship. He would be making money from all this during the year.
Like I said, has to be clear standards that are black and white across the board with no exceptions.
This also makes it more players with a true connection to the university, not just mercenaries.
Signing classes should be a max of 20. No exceptions.
Transfers need to go back to true grad transfer or you must sit out a year. Only exception I would make for this is if a player has a parent deathly ill and they want to move within 75 miles of the parents address. Only exceptions, period. No more bullshite hardships. Want to transfer bust your arse and get the degree.
There has to be some kind of cap on the analysts and behind the scene coaches/trainers etc. Has to have a universal rule or schools like bama will have 50 and schools like lsu will say f that and next thing you know, they have 50 too and the rest of the big 6 follows suite lol. Its already happened and Saban is a fricking genius for the shite, but it needs to be level playing fields across the board. I dont think you can regulate coaching salaries, but you sure as hell can regulate the amount each school is allowed to have on the field, # of analysts, # of strength coaches for each sport, # overall support staff etc.
How to handle the we deserve or they deserve to be paid crowd?
Simple, make the football and basketball players work study programs. Most will say wtf???
Well it allows you to pay them, this needs to be a uniformed amount across the board, period. Also all the benefits they receive become taxable, as you treat each as an independent contractor.
Why do this? Allows you to circumvent title IX requirements number 1. #2 it teaches the kids that the schools are in charge and are the brand, not each kid. But the it also solves the NIL issues. I understand some boosters are going to go crazy with it, but not much you can do and NIL is going to be forced by the government, nothing the schools can really do. But that income is taxable and must be reported.
Bunch of reasons why you should do it as a work study, mainly it stops a lot of the bullshite the players are pulling, allows them to make money and keeps many from bolting. Also shows them how much they are truly making, how much the "swag" is worth, how much the personal training they get is worth, how much the personal nutritionist is worth, etc etc.
Why is that important? Well you already have things like the xfl, and those types of leagues will be trying to become developmental leagues to gain footing. They will offer a hs senior 50-75k to come out and just play football and not "play school". Well now a school can say, ok look at this breakdown of what I will be paying you and allows players to compare it to what other leagues are offering.
In general what a college is providing is going to be more than the xfl, Canadian football league or some similar league can provide.
Also if you treat it as a work study program you can write into the contract that they must provide 3 years of service as an intern in the internship or they will be subject to penalties such as repayment of up to 75% of services rendered. This should be universal and should all be easy for schools to buy off on as it protects them and gives the student athletes what they want, ability to make money.
This also stops the transfers after a year, the quiting aka bullshite "quiting".
Tldr:
Want college football to grow? Well you need more parity and more of the country involved. You accomplish that with the scholarship limits, signing class limits, expanded playoffs, limits on shadow staff etc.
Want kids to be more engaged? besides more parity, you treat football and basketball players as interns on a work study with the rules I put above.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 11:53 am to lsu777
Do away with the playoffs and all that. Go back to how it was in the 60s.
Would there by multiple champions in a year? Possibly, but so what. We had that back when UCF and Alabama were co champions in 2017 and the world didn't come to an end.
Just blow it all up... and also... get rid of at least half the bowl games. They are worthless anyways. It's getting out of hand.
Would there by multiple champions in a year? Possibly, but so what. We had that back when UCF and Alabama were co champions in 2017 and the world didn't come to an end.
Just blow it all up... and also... get rid of at least half the bowl games. They are worthless anyways. It's getting out of hand.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 12:09 pm to VermilionTiger
1. Four 16 team superconferences, 4 game playoff of only conference champions, seeded 1-4 by BCS computers, rotating through the major Bowls with no conference tie-in.
2. 10 game conference schedule, 2 games OOC (must be P4)
3. Lower scholarships to 75.
4. Cap coaching salaries at $3M/yr total compensation across the board
5. Eliminate targeting.
6. Allow no more than 3 television timeouts per hour of airtime.
2. 10 game conference schedule, 2 games OOC (must be P4)
3. Lower scholarships to 75.
4. Cap coaching salaries at $3M/yr total compensation across the board
5. Eliminate targeting.
6. Allow no more than 3 television timeouts per hour of airtime.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 12:27 pm to ClampClampington
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I'm so sick of seeing defenders ejected when they initiate a hit, clearly aimed at the chest/shoulders, and the QB ducks or slides and gets popped in the head.
And 99% of the time a non biased person (which the refs and replay officials should be) can tell if there was intent to hit high and these nobody except thug arse players is hitting high anymore anyways
Posted on 12/16/20 at 12:56 pm to VermilionTiger
All conferences play same number of conference games 8 or 9 should be same for everyone
Every P5 team should have 2 OOC P5 games against other conferences. This helps the pecking order to see real OOC records
Eliminate cupcake Saturday in November for SEC/ACC. No one wants to see cupcakes in November. Finish those in sept/October
Every P5 team should have 2 OOC P5 games against other conferences. This helps the pecking order to see real OOC records
Eliminate cupcake Saturday in November for SEC/ACC. No one wants to see cupcakes in November. Finish those in sept/October
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