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re: DNA Report Connects Alleged Victim to Winston

Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:56 am to
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:56 am to
Any more news this morning, RT87?
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71149 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:57 am to
I just woke up 45 minutes ago.

I live on mountain time.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:58 am to
The fact that he hasn't been arrested right now makes me think that the State doesn't have enough evidence to get a conviction at the moment.

My biggest fear in all of this is that IF this girl was raped, I doubt we will ever see justice done if it was Winston. Plain and simple.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
69088 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:58 am to
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There's no coverup, just a complainant who is flip floppy. She knows him, she didn't know him. She was drugged/drunk, no she was sober.


Don't forget to add: she was pressured by detectives not to pursue the case because they're in a football town.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52282 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 7:59 am to
Oh shite

Posted by lsuroadie
South LA
Member since Oct 2007
8456 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:00 am to
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the evidence is pointing to her having been raped by Winston
what evidence?

all we know is that they had sex...something college students do like 15k times a day in Tallahassee alone
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37834 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:03 am to
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There's no coverup, just a complainant who is flip floppy. She knows him, she didn't know him. She was drugged/drunk, no she was sober.


She didn't know him when it happened. A month later she identified him. And nobody ever said she was intoxicated. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that she's "flip floppy" when her comments to the police about the rape have not been made public.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41001 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:03 am to
she was furious when she found out the real girlfriend was coming to town and she was being benched.

This, or a close variation, is the horse I'm betting on.

I wouldn't be surprised that the cop's "warning" came about because her story was flimsy to begin with and he was trying to let her know what she was getting into and giving her a last chance to reconsider.
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:05 am to
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This, or a close variation, is the horse I'm betting on.


To be a man nowadays is to be under suspicion

I mean all it seems to take is one acusser and you are in the newspaper, interwebs, facebook etc.

Wow.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41089 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:20 am to
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she was furious when she found out the real girlfriend was coming to town and she was being benched.




Bitches be crazy, but I think it's unlikely this girls goes to the cops at 4 am stone cold sober to report a rape just because she got demoted.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54853 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:21 am to
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Don't forget to add: she was pressured by detectives not to pursue the case because they're in a football town.

We don't know that to be true. What the detective allegedly told her attorney was absolutely true and something she needed to be aware of before she pursued the charges. It is better however, if that education comes from someone other than a person that is responsible for investigating the alleged crime because of how it looks now that this has blown up, but we can't be sure the detective was trying to pressure her or cover anything up. It is possible he was or also possible he was just being pragmatic about what was going to happen.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:24 am to
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To be a man nowadays is to be under suspicion





Some of you frickers are ridiculous. I'm a man, but I believe we are far better served by erring on the side of the woman in a case such as this. No one is saying Jameis is guilty, the courts will decide that. However, I'd like to think that every rape accusation is investigated to the fullest extent. IMO, it is far better if Jameis walks free at trial an innocent man than if he plays another snap for FSU as a guilty rapist.

On a side note, this is the unfortunate fallout of the Duke/Kobe cases. One or two women falsely accuse an athlete of rape, and now every time this shite comes up people almost universally assume the accuser is out for money or fame etc. Meanwhile, we seem to overlook the majority of cases where athletes are rightfully charged and convicted of sexual assault.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 9:24 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128779 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:24 am to
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It is possible he was or also possible he was just being pragmatic about what was going to happen.

The story of the family is convoluted enough that it makes it difficult to believe it was fabricated. But it fits the story. The police evidently told her they didn't have a report back and told Winston's attorney that the case was closed. IF it's true, it's not going to look good for TPD.
Posted by BrocraticMethod
a dumpster
Member since Sep 2011
2326 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 8:44 am to
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To be a man nowadays is to be under suspicion



Maybe be a little thoughtful/careful about what you stick your pecker in, then?

I don't know how legit this girl's story is, and neither do you. But I don't think it's THAT hard to avoid getting caught in some moral grey area with a woman.

And you can just as easily say being a woman nowadays is to be under suspicion. We live in...'suspicious' times if you will. This girl has been called a drunk, a whore and a liar on the internet judgment machine, and she'll probably only just get raked over the coals more as this continues to blow up.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111459 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:06 am to
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This girl has been called a drunk, a whore and a liar on the internet judgment machine
I would rather be falsely called all these things than falsely called a rapist
Posted by detmut
Jesuit 81 Metairie
Member since Sep 2011
2369 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:06 am to
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On a side note, this is the unfortunate fallout of the Duke/Kobe cases. One or two woman falsely accuse an athlete of rape, and now every time this shite comes up people almost universally assume the accuser is out for money or fame etc. Meanwhile, we seem to overlook the majority of cases where athletes are rightfully charged and convicted of sexual assault.


i would say especially the Duke lacrosse case where gullible,naive Joe Alleva overreacted, where the false accuser Crystal Gail Magnum was not even charged much less prosecuted for her false rape allegation, and where DA Mike Nifong spent just 1 day in jail. see, there's not much legal consequence to making and prosecuting a false rape allegation.
Posted by cornhat
Member since Feb 2011
3393 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:40 am to
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REC doesn't frick around. We may not know much in the state of Alabama, but we do know how to cheat.

After they got a father to side with Courtney Upshaw over his daughter in a domestic dispute, I have never doubted the limits of their capabilities
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25716 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:50 am to
Winston has dropped from -400 to -300 on Sportsbook.ag for the Heisman.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 9:52 am to
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I believe we are far better served by erring on the side of the woman in a case such as this.


Why not err on the side of facts instead of gender?
Posted by F machine
Member since Jun 2009
11886 posts
Posted on 11/21/13 at 10:08 am to
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IMO, it is far better if Jameis walks free at trial an innocent man than if he plays another snap for FSU as a guilty rapist.


Then what happens if he goes to trial an innocent man, but he is still convicted? It can happen.
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