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re: Discussions about MVP Awards (In General)
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:37 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:37 am to H-Town Tiger
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Im pretty sure that was said in jest for the most part
There were some dead serious arguments about this on the MSB.
And about Peyton and Bradys overall legacy which is even more ridiculous
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
I've always used the pickup game for your life a argument. I'd want LeBron James if I had to have the winning team or I'd die.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:38 am to TxTiger82
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this perspective attempts to "control" for the teammates
a. control in what way? you can only do this if you assume a random distribution, which isn't the case
b. the individual's impact should be his impact
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:39 am to wildtigercat93
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There were some dead serious arguments about this on the MSB
Since when does the MSB have a vote in the NFL MVP?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:41 am to H-Town Tiger
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Nash winning over Shaq was equally silly.
+1 It still boggles my mind that Shaq only won one MVP award
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:41 am to H-Town Tiger
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Since when does the MSB have a vote in the NFL MVP?
Really, you want to be this dense?
Some actual writers made the argument as well
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:45 am to wildtigercat93
I keep sending my vote in, and I don't get it back return to sender!
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
The two schools of thought are
1. Who's the most valuable To his team. As in who elevates his team the most .
2. Who is the best player.
1. Who's the most valuable To his team. As in who elevates his team the most .
2. Who is the best player.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:55 am to RLDSC FAN
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It still boggles my mind that Shaq only won one MVP award
shaq was punished by writers for "not living up to his potential" and upsetting them. it's complete bullshite
it is kind of like LBJ 2 years ago, where he only didn't win MVP b/c the writers were mad at him for the "Decision"
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:58 am to SammyTiger
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The two schools of thought are
1. Who's the most valuable To his team. As in who elevates his team the most .
2. Who is the best player.
While I do not agree with number 1, I understand the rationale behind it.
Lebron satisfies both this year imo.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:09 am to KillerNut9
quote:I want to argue this, but I don't know the first thing about Hockey and have never heard the name Bobrovksy.
For the most part, but this can be argued.
My example would be this NHL season. No doubt in my mind Sidney Crosby is the best player in the league, but the most valuable was easily Bobrovsky. Penguins still won without Sid but the Blue Jackets wouldn't have been anywhere near the playoff hunt without Bobrovsky.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:11 am to shel311
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and have never heard the name Bobrovksy.
it sounds...made up
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:12 am to lob1284
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To further validate the stupidity of the "value to your team" argument in this case you just have to ask yourself one question. If the Knicks had the exact same team but replace Carmelo with Lebron, would their record have been better or worse?
Exactly, people always say, "take player A off of his team", but that's just an imaginary argument, really.
It's just as relevant and logical to say, "Swap player A and player B, now who provides more value?"
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:14 am to wildtigercat93
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Some actual writers made the argument as well
and my opinion is that it was mostly done in jest or prehaps just for the sake ofof being inflamatory like those bomb throwing shows on ESPN
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:14 am to SammyTiger
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1. Who's the most valuable To his team. As in who elevates his team the most .
2. Who is the best player.
But isn't the best player the one who adds the most value to his team? How else could you possibly define it?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:14 am to bobbyray21
quote:What is and where do you find the NBA's version of VORP?
think VORP is an excellent way of picking MVP.
And I think Lebron provides the most value over an average replacement.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:16 am to jturn17
quote:Yup.
I think next year they'll end up giving the MVP to Durant or someone and throw LeBron the DPOY, especially if he comes out before the season saying he's focused on winning the DPOY. The narrative will write itself
I'd say expecting Lebron to shoot at least 57% or higher is a bit much, and if it dips while his other numbers don't increase, that'll be the "excuse" to give it to KG.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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shaq was punished by writers for "not living up to his potential" and upsetting them. it's complete bullshite
I think he was punished for being big and dominant. We expect Shaq to do what he did, not a smallish guard.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:16 am to shel311
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What is and where do you find the NBA's version of VORP?
Win shares is the closest you're gonna find.
But I'm referring to VORP conceptually -- as the most important question to be asking.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:17 am to shel311
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My example would be this NHL season. No doubt in my mind Sidney Crosby is the best player in the league, but the most valuable was easily Bobrovsky. Penguins still won without Sid but the Blue Jackets wouldn't have been anywhere near the playoff hunt without Bobrovsky.
This isn't the argument against Sid. The argument aginst Crosby is that he missed a full quarter of the season. So while when he played he was the best play, he isn't as valuable not because of his teammates, but because he literally provided zero value in over 1/4 of his team's games. IT would be like giving LeBron the MVP if he missed 21 games.
And the NHL MVP will likely not be Bobrovsky. It will be Tavares or Ovechkin. Ovie wins the VORP argument (and he has the best numbers), Tavares wins the "where would his team be without him?" argument.
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