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Derrick Henry only getting 16 carries in a snow game has to be talked about more

Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:48 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:48 am
This might be the most fireable offense of all time.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:50 am to
Justice hill only getting 6 was worse. He was torching the bills far worse….

But the ravens offense was killing the bills shite defense so the OC called a good game. He can’t help his players kept turning it over and dropping passes (Henry being one of them)

The bills only forced one 4th down I think . And it was 4th and a frog hair they picked up easily
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 8:52 am
Posted by Kansas City King
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:52 am to
Ravens proved to me they were the better team, but made too many mistakes. Speaks volumes that they lost by 2 points on a dropped 2-point conversion despite having 3 turnovers to the Bills 0
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:54 am to
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Ravens proved to me they were the better team, but made too many mistakes. Speaks volumes that they lost by 2 points on a dropped 2-point conversion despite having 3 turnovers to the Bills 0
I mean the Texans were the first team ever to lose a game where they out gained their opponent by 100 yards with no turnovers

Nfl teams were 39-0 in that scenario…..

I don’t think the chiefs this season want to talk about “winning when you weren’t the better team”….
Posted by JimTiger72
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:55 am to
His first 4 rushes of the game
+1 yd
+1 yd
+2 yd
-1 yd

4 rushes for 3 yards

He dominated that drive later in the game to make it 19-21. They should have let him run it on the 2pt conversion
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:55 am to
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Derrick Henry only getting 16 carries in a snow game has to be talked about more

I hope everyone finds themselves someone who loves them as much as Todd Monken loves abandoning the running game.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:56 am to
Dude your offense dominated. Only faced one fourth down and picked it up outside of the FGs you took

Your players just choked. From a coaching standpoint the offense was flawless
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 8:58 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:57 am to
They were definitely the better team. Now the Chiefs get a bills team with a banged up secondary
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:00 am to
Yea this one was on the players imo. Sure Monken could have called the game differently but he can’t do much about the early Lamar fumble/pick and Andrews fumble/drop.
Posted by Gifman
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:01 am to
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Ravens proved to me they were the better team, but made too many mistakes.


Better teams don't make this many mistakes.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:07 am to
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Dude your offense dominated. Only faced one fourth down and picked it up outside of the FGs you took

Your players just choked. From a coaching standpoint the offense was flawless

Abandoned the run game on those 2-point conversions. In the third quarter we have some nice gains running the ball downhill and then we call a stupid toss play that results in a loss and stalls the drive and had to hit a long field goal.

Also, I’m not just talking about last night. The Ravens abandoned the running game in the AFC championship last season. There have been other instances where it’s happened.

I’m not saying playcalling is the sole reason the Ravens lost, but it wasn’t great at times.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 9:10 am
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:08 am to
Hill was also averaging like 10 yards a pop.
Posted by Froman
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:15 am to
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The bills only forced one 4th down I think


Not sure how many, but they did the Andrews rush push play like three times. Might have done it on third down too, so I’m not disagreeing.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:19 am to
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Abandoned the run game on those 2-point conversions


You seriously can’t be mad about this? Andrew’s flat out dropped a pass on a perfect play call
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:22 am to
I think you can argue that in hindsight, but Andrews absolutely killed the Ravens. In the first quarter he drops an easy pass that would have either given Baltimore a first down or set up a second and short deep in Buffalo territory. Instead, they face 2nd & 10. They try to throw and Jackson fumbles. The ball is returned 40 yards and sets up a Buffalo TD. If Andrews catches the 1st down pass the next play call is almost assuredly different.

In the 4th Baltimore is driving for the go ahead TD. They attempt a pass after the prior 4 running plays gained a net of 6 yards. Jackson hits Andrews on a wide open pass. He tries to run upfield and gets stripped. That allowed Buffalo to drain the clock and extend the lead to 8.

Despite all of that, Jackson drives 88 yards in less than 2:00 for a potential game tying TD. Andrews drops the 2 point conversion.

Yes, if BEFORE the game you know your TE is going to have three crucial errors you probably do run the ball a bit more. But none of those pass plays were bad (although the 2 point pass could have been better). It's hard to say those playcalls were "fireable offenses" when ALL were there and the TE simply didn't make the play.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:23 am to
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You seriously can’t be mad about this? Andrew’s flat out dropped a pass on a perfect play call

When neither 2 point play actually resulted in points you at least think about whether a running play might’ve worked.

It’s over now, I’m just saying Monken has times where he abandons the running game. That’s my point.
Posted by CSinLC
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:23 am to
I was thinking the same thing. He should had a minimum 25 carries
Posted by JamalMurry27
Tennessee Titans
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:24 am to
2014 osu semi final. Bama 21-osu 3. Kiffin stopped feeding Henry and we lost. Nothing was worse. Losing a 21-3 lead with henry.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:24 am to
I ssuspect he would have had more than 16 carries if they wouldn’t have turned the ball over 3 times
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:02 am to
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2014 osu semi final. Bama 21-osu 3. Kiffin stopped feeding Henry and we lost. Nothing was worse. Losing a 21-3 lead with henry.


But it's not like Baltimore "stopped feeding him". Or even unnecessarily abandoned the run game.

Baltimore had 8 possessions all game (not counting the kneel down before the half).

The first possession was a TD drive.

The second they ran Henry for a loss of 1, then tried to take a shot on 2nd & 11. It was a bad pass that was intercepted.

On the third possession they were driving. On 1st down they attempt a pass and Jackson hits a wide open Andrews in the hands. It wasn't a bad play call. He just flat out dropped it. That changed the play call for 2nd & 10. Baltimore likely doesn't call the pass play on which Jackson fumbled facing 2nd & 2 from the Buf 20 instead of 2 & 10.

On the fourth possession they got to 1st and Goal at Buf 2. Henry was stopped for a loss. On 2nd down they try to pass and a poor snap someone dooms the play. On third down Baltimore had a guy wide open in the endzone. The Bills LB just made a great play to deflect it. Again, not necessarily bad playcalling. Just poor execution.

On the 5th drive they do start to run the ball. They get to the Buf 27. They run it on 1st down and lose 2 yards. They pass on 2nd and 12 (not a terrible call for that down and distance). Incomplete. Then they get a 5 yard penalty. They obviously aren't going to run on 3rd and 17

The 6th drive they roll downhill with the running game for a TD.

The 7th drive they are moving. However, the attempt 4 running plays for a net of 6 yards. They then throw a pass and hit a wide open Andrews. He tries to run on icy footing and gets stripped.

The 8th drive they have to throw because they need to go 88 yards in ~3:00 with only 1 TO.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I just don't see a ton of spots where they clearly should have run the ball. Baltimore had 416 yards to Buffalo's 273. Baltimore had 23 first downs (13 rushing) to Buffalo's 10. Baltimore was 7-10 on 3rd down. Baltimore only attempted 25 passes...completing 18 in less than favorable conditions. Andrew's drop on the 3 possession changed the next play call that led to the fumble. His fumble in the 4th killed another promising drive on which they were moving. He dropped the game tying 2 point conversion. It's never just one guy's fault, but he had three devastating mistakes that, frankly, killed what from a statistical standpoint should have been a Baltimore win
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