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re: Derrick Henry has hit 20 MPH more than any player not named Tyreek Hill
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
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McCaffrey played for Stanford.
Imagine derrick getting to play 8 or 9 pac12 teams
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Nah. He had a monster line. McCaffrey played for Stanford.
I think he's a great kid and he's been amazing in the NFL. But the Heisman was silly. Bama could have plugged almost anyone into that role that year. McCaffrey played for Stanford.
McCaffrey and Fournette are not going to frick you for white knighting for them bro.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:54 pm to MoarKilometers
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Imagine derrick getting to play 8 or 9 pac12 teams
"The best RB of his generation who shatters the SEC rushing record is a system player." - Big Scrub TX
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:16 pm to MoarKilometers
quote:Seems like a fair criticism until you see how McCaffrey himself has done in the league.
Imagine derrick getting to play 8 or 9 pac12 teams
Stanford finished 12-2 and won the Rose Bowl. Inconceivable such would have been accomplished in his absence.
Bama finished 14-1 and lost the title to Clemson in one of the greatest games every played.
Henry had an All-America center plus 2 other NFL starters on his O-line (not to mention a first round tight end PLUS freaking Calvin Ridley at receiver).
And BTW, the vote was pretty close - like ~1800 to ~1500.
I submit, respectfully, that it was pure Bama bias that put Derrick in over Christian. This is not an aspersion against Henry. I'm simply, rationally, pointing out that ANY back that was good enough to start at Bama that year (or perhaps any team in the SEC) would have had a great season given that many carries and that line to run behind.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:18 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:Don't count his NFL years. Purely looking at college, do you think he was the best college back of his generation?
"The best RB of his generation who shatters the SEC rushing record is a system player."
Also, he didn't "shatter" the record". He beat it.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Purely looking at college, do you think he was the best college back of his generation?
He's definitely up there if he's not.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Also, he didn't "shatter" the record". He beat it.
He ran for 328 more yards on 10 more carries.
He definitely shattered the record.
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do you think he was the best college back of his generation?
I don't see how it couldn't be him. After all, he shattered Herschel Walker's SEC rushing record and, even then, had an almost unparalleled combination of power, size, speed, vision, toughness, and consistency. I think you're glossing over Henry's 2015 season as if it was a fluke. It is the 6th most rushing yards in a single season in FBS history.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:35 pm to Tornado Alley
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It is the 6th most rushing yards in a single season in FBS history.
Against a fairly solid schedule. Seven of Alabama's 15 opponents that season finished with 10 wins or more on the season and all but one finished above .500 on the year.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:54 pm to Tornado Alley
quote:Across 3 more games, 200 of which came against utter creampuffs.
He ran for 328 more yards on 10 more carries.
quote:He's great, no doubt. Not obvious to me that he was better than Fournette.
I don't see how it couldn't be him. After all, he shattered Herschel Walker's SEC rushing record and, even then, had an almost unparalleled combination of power, size, speed, vision, toughness, and consistency. I think you're glossing over Henry's 2015 season as if it was a fluke. It is the 6th most rushing yards in a single season in FBS history.
Again, my position isn't THAT controversial. McCaffrey was a pretty close second. I think without Bama bias he would have won. Certainly without his all-star line, Henry would not have.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 2:58 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Yes, the Alabama team was quite good that year.
Against a fairly solid schedule. Seven of Alabama's 15 opponents that season finished with 10 wins or more on the season and all but one finished above .500 on the year.
Yes, Middle Tennessee finished at a very impressive 7-6. ULM was 2-11. And FCS Charleston Southern finished 10-3.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Stanford finished 12-2 and won the Rose Bowl. Inconceivable such would have been accomplished in his absence.
Absolutely, it's not like they went 11-2, 12-2, and 11-3 the 3 seasons before him arriving on campus
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I submit, respectfully, that
I entirely believe you're sitting in a diaper full of your own excrement because you're too retarded to use the restroom or change clothes by yourself.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yes, Middle Tennessee finished at a very impressive 7-6. ULM was 2-11. And FCS Charleston Southern finished 10-3.
As I said, seven of Alabama's 15 opponents finished with 10+ wins that season and only one finished with a losing record.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:40 pm to Jelleaux
Those stats are absolutely insane. Despite still being in high school in 2011, Derrick Henry has run for more rushing yards in the NFL than anyone else since the start of the 2011 season.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:46 pm to AlwysATgr
Bo Jackson: 6-1, 227, 4.13 supposedly at Auburn. Jackson apparently did not attend the official 1986 Combine, at least according to an article on the Raiders site I just read.
Herschel Walker: 6-1, 225, 4.23 according to “research” done by Gridiron Studs
Derrick Henry: 6-2, 247, 4.54 at 2016 Combine
Of course, running in pads vs track shorts is a bit different. But that’s what I could find.
Herschel Walker: 6-1, 225, 4.23 according to “research” done by Gridiron Studs
Derrick Henry: 6-2, 247, 4.54 at 2016 Combine
Of course, running in pads vs track shorts is a bit different. But that’s what I could find.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 3:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
3 extra games is wrong in every possible way.
Henry had already broken the record after 12 games when he won the Heisman. Henry averaged 6 fewer carries a game, so a 12 game sample means 72 fewer carries.
Those 3 specific games you cited were 3 of his lowest outputs of the season. 96 yards against MTSU, 52 against ULM, 68 against Charleston. Remove them and Henry has 2,003 yards, still breaking the record in an even number of games as Herschel with his three easiest removed. Of course you’re also ignoring that those ‘3 extra games’ include the SEC Championship and 2 playoff games, obviously very tough games Georgia did not have to play.
Henry averaged 5.6 yards per carry to Herschel’s 4.9.
He wrecked the record any possible way you look at it.
A very tough record that stood for 35 years, held by a GOAT in a traditionally power running conference. It’s inconceivable that that accomplishment occurs and the player doesn’t win the Heisman. If he put them up at Vanderbilt and they went 6-6 he still wins the Heisman. His Heisman is as rock solid as it gets in all of college football history. And if somebody breaks his record so convincingly one day that person will win the Heisman. It’s going to take more than a good line and a few cupcakes, considering the plethora of other future NFL backs at Bama never approached it.
Henry had already broken the record after 12 games when he won the Heisman. Henry averaged 6 fewer carries a game, so a 12 game sample means 72 fewer carries.
Those 3 specific games you cited were 3 of his lowest outputs of the season. 96 yards against MTSU, 52 against ULM, 68 against Charleston. Remove them and Henry has 2,003 yards, still breaking the record in an even number of games as Herschel with his three easiest removed. Of course you’re also ignoring that those ‘3 extra games’ include the SEC Championship and 2 playoff games, obviously very tough games Georgia did not have to play.
Henry averaged 5.6 yards per carry to Herschel’s 4.9.
He wrecked the record any possible way you look at it.
A very tough record that stood for 35 years, held by a GOAT in a traditionally power running conference. It’s inconceivable that that accomplishment occurs and the player doesn’t win the Heisman. If he put them up at Vanderbilt and they went 6-6 he still wins the Heisman. His Heisman is as rock solid as it gets in all of college football history. And if somebody breaks his record so convincingly one day that person will win the Heisman. It’s going to take more than a good line and a few cupcakes, considering the plethora of other future NFL backs at Bama never approached it.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:44 pm to Gaggle
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A very tough record that stood for 35 years, held by a GOAT in a traditionally power running conference. It’s inconceivable that that accomplishment occurs and the player doesn’t win the Heisman. If he put them up at Vanderbilt and they went 6-6 he still wins the Heisman. His Heisman is as rock solid as it gets in all of college football history. And if somebody breaks his record so convincingly one day that person will win the Heisman. It’s going to take more than a good line and a few cupcakes, considering the plethora of other future NFL backs at Bama never approached it.
Your Vanderbilt comment makes my point for me - YES, if he had done this at Vandy he most assuredly would have deserved the Heisman and might still have won it.
Re your comment about other Bama backs, I am curious to know how many carries they had relative to Henry. (honestly have no idea)
It's interesting that you are so strident, given the margin of victor was only 293 votes. The past 30 years, the average margin has been 621 votes. The past 20, 741. It's curious that such a slam dunk featured a race that ended up much tighter than average.
ETA: McC also "shattered" a 30 year old record by a GOAT in his campaign that year.
This post was edited on 10/2/24 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 10/2/24 at 4:48 pm to RollTide1987
I’m just here to add that Derrick Henry is a bad mofo.
That’s all.
That’s all.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 7:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Nah. He had a monster line. McCaffrey played for Stanford.
There is always a team component to the Heisman. Would Burrow have won if he had a shite receiving corp? If he had finished with 1500 yards passing and 3200 that should have been but bounced off his receiver's hands would he have even been invited to the DAC... no.
Plus Henry had plenty of plays with 15+ YAAMOADB (yards after attempted murder of a defensive back).
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