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Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:24 am to
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:24 am to
Saw that article as well. There was also a bit in there about Crane and Baker nixing the Contreras trade at the deadline because it “wouldn’t be good for the locker room.” But now they’re pursuing him again? Doesn’t add up.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:35 am to
Maybe the losing Urquidy part of it would be bad for the locker room, although he doesn't seem like the team leader sort.

I doubt the Astros are seriously invested in pursuing a Contreras deal, though.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:06 am to
Bakers angle was Contreras was playing for a contract and wouldn't be happy not getting regular playing time to put up numbers and he didn't want someone detracting from the team culture at that point. If Contreras signs he will be the primary catcher.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:21 am to
Sounds like per usual, winning WS is as much random as not.

Marte ended up injured

I expect only a minor deal this offseason in regards to IF/OF depending on what we do with Brantley and Yuli

Too much is dependent on the JV outcome to know at this point
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

interviewed for like 8 managerial vacancies over the last 4 years and hasn't been hired. I start to wonder why

Maybe he’s been transparent about his intentions to take the Astros job if/when it’s offered?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104000 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:04 pm to
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Maybe he’s been transparent about his intentions to take the Astros job if/when it’s offered?


That doesn't seem like a great interview tactic, but they might be able to read between the lines.
Posted by markinkaty
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:08 pm to
Thanks for the info
Posted by Cliff Booth
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

Too much is dependent on the JV outcome to know at this point



Depends on if Crane is going to pay the tax. If he gives JV 40 AAV they probably couldn't even sign Brantley under the tax, much less a bigger bat.
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:42 pm to
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Depends on if Crane is going to pay the tax. If he gives JV 40 AAV they probably couldn't even sign Brantley under the tax, much less a bigger bat.


I think the Astros are projected to be around $60MM under the tax after arbitration is done. Tax threshold jumps to $233MM next year and then $237MM and $241MM in '24 and '25.
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:54 pm to
If Verlander was making 28 in ‘22 and you gave him 40 starting in ‘23, that’s a 12M jump that still leaves you 53 under the tax if Ryno’s numbers are correct.

ETA: Unless those figures are with Verlander off the books. Then never mind.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:55 pm to
We just paid him 25 to get a year back from paying him 33 for one game last year

I think you are doing the team a disservice giving him anything more than 30 each for multiple seasons

Just doesn't make sense given the depth that we have pitching wise
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63384 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:01 pm to
Bregman and Alvarez salaries are going up quite a bit. Montero too now.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:04 pm to
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Bregman and Alvarez salaries are going up quite a bit. Montero too now.


Holy hell, Bregs is going from $13M to $30.5M


Depending on which site you use, were projected at somewhere between $170-$180 million with current commitments and projected arbitration raises. Luxury tax threshold is $232 million so if you start us right in the middle at $175 million, that gives us about $57 million to work with. JV at 40 million really hamstrings to budget to do much else.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 4:11 pm
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
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9930 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:07 pm to
Hope that finger heals properly.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63384 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:08 pm to
Yeah the Bregman of last year is worth every penny of that deal. The Montero thing doesn’t give them a lot of room under the tax though if Verlander is brought back. I’m not sure how much the tax matters to Crane though
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104000 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:16 pm to
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I’m not sure how much the tax matters to Crane though


Hopefully not much.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102302 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:17 pm to
Yeah I think those numbers were pre-Montero deal so his salary comes out of that 57 million wiggle room. Which means JVs 40 million eats up any other room to upgrade the roster. You'd have no choice but to roll with Korey Lee at backup C, Diaz at 1B and Hensley for Utility bench bat.


Crane has exceeded the tax once before and has said he'd be willing to exceed it if they feel like they need a piece or two but he prefers to stay below. I would think if you're going to commit $40 million to a pitcher, you'd like to maximize the chances of that being an effective investment and not sacrifice the roster elsewhere.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 4:20 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63384 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:17 pm to
Yeah if it does and they signed that Montero deal I’ll be upset
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:09 pm to
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The Astros have identified Anthony Rizzo as their No. 1 free-agent target at first base, per @Ken_Rosenthal
Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:10 pm to
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