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re: DAT 5/7: Astros (Framber) @ Brewers (Priester) 12:10 CT

Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by Uncle Mike23
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:55 pm to
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5 Deep




ETA: The offense is still struggling despite scoring 9 runs.

Nice outing from Framber. What are the expectations for him being an Astro beyond the trade deadline? He’s durable as hell and will be going into his age-32 season next year.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 5:20 pm
Posted by Domeskeller
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 5:55 pm to
Guessing they won’t trade him at the deadline unless they’re way out of the wild-card and/or division races. Considering how bad the AL is, it’s not far-fetched this mediocre group of Astros would still have a shot to get to the postseason at the end of July.

Beyond that, it seems unlikely they would re-sign him. The Astros don’t seem to like re-signing their own free agents unless they can get them for a year or two, like they did a couple of different times with your namesake. The exception would be the 3-year deal they gave Montero.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 6:01 pm
Posted by texastiger38
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:16 pm to
Winning is fun
Posted by Uncle Mike23
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:42 am to
I would find it hard to swallow to ride out the year with Framber and then let him walk without getting anything in return.

You figure some team may be dumb enough to get fleeced in the stretch run thinking they have a legitimate chance to make a run at the World Series.

We may turn out to be the dumbass team thinking they have a chance though.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:27 am to
There’s nothing about this franchise that says they are going to start tanking if they still have a postseason shot. I guess if McCullers is reliable then maybe they can sell that it’s for another reason.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:36 am to
The only way they trade Framber is if things go very south (like 6-7+ games back) or they can find a deal with another contender that has an excess in the outfield or maybe at 2B at the major league level and needs a SP. The latter scenario is extremely hard to pull off for a number of reasons

I’m not high on this team overall at all but the AL as a whole sucks. Every team in it has significant flaws and holes
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 9:37 am
Posted by Domeskeller
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:37 am to
I agree with what you’re saying that it’s hard to watch Framber leave for nothing. But it just hasn’t been their MO to trade pending free agents. Tucker was the exception, and maybe that’s the start of a philosophy change.

But it seems like if they were gonna trade Framber, they would’ve done that in the offseason, too, when you can get a bit more for a full season of him instead of three months.

We’ve also seen enough examples of wild-card teams reaching and winning the World Series. The 2023 Series showed that in both leagues, even in the first year with the extended format of an extra best-of-3 for seeds 3 through 6.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 9:40 am
Posted by TigerFan91
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:39 am to
Need Baltimore to get back in the race so they can make another silly trade like they did last year giving up Stowers and Norby for Trevor Rogers.

Flaherty IG would be a good comp and they got back Sweeney (serviceable big leaguer) and a catching prospect who is in the top 100. But to your point the Dodgers are seemingly always working with a surplus that they can be a little more aggressive giving up those types of prospects for rentals because their big league guys are young/locked up for the future at those positions.

***Do not think they are going to think about trading him unless they are completely dead in mid-July. Just trying to think of returns for similar type players from last year******
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 9:52 am
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:51 am to
Yeah and I think you would get quite a bit more for Framber than Flaherty or Trevor Rogers got in a scenario where he was dealt. He is simply a different class of pitcher.

But it’s still unlikely you would be getting back established big leaguers who are upgrades, or major league ready prospects the front office could convince themselves (and ownership) are also upgrades in the short term.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:01 am to
I feel like once they traded Tucker they called off trading Framber but also didn’t engage seriously in contract talks with him. Really stupid. I would much rather they just resign him just like I wish they just resigned Tucker, but he should have been dealt too if you weren’t going to make an earnest effort to resign him.

Baltimore was one with an obvious SP need and a bunch of extra young position player talent where they could have made a deal similar to what they did with Chicago.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 10:02 am
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:30 am to
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Houston had 14 groundouts on Wednesday, increasing the 44.3 percent groundball rate it brought to the ballpark. Only one American League offense has a higher groundball rate than Houston’s, problematic for a lineup constructed to slug. Until it does, the Astros will have to manufacture runs or accept gifts opponents give them.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:33 am to
Walker’s ground ball rate is somehow 46%. Much bigger issue than the K rate in my opinion
Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:58 am to
Just find it difficult to invest in this team outside of watching Brown and looking forward to Cam Smith and Dezenzo’s AB’s

Pena’s move to leadoff has been intriguing, but any step forward there has been met with Altuve, Diaz, and Walker’s consistent deterioration in almost every phase

Knowing this team has no real chance to make or win a playoff series without Yed and lately even with him, drains any remaining interest

But I still follow. LOL
Posted by Floating Change Up
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 12:41 pm to
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Pena’s move to leadoff has been intriguing, but any step forward there has been met with Altuve, Diaz, and Walker’s consistent deterioration in almost every phase


Could you imagine how effective Pena would be in the one-spot if any of the next three guys weren't actual decaying flesh?
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