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Dartmouth basketball players are school employees the NLRB rules

Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:12 am
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
25994 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:12 am
This will devastate college athletics more than NIL ever did. This NLRB ruling will likely end 90% if collegiate athletic programs across the US. LSU will just shut down most of their athletic programs IMO.

CBS SPORTS: How a ruling that Dartmouth basketball players are school employees, can join union may change college sports

"The schools will have to pay the players," Michael Hsu, a former University of Minnesota regent who supported the Dartmouth complaint, told CBS Sports. "Minimum wage is what it is, minimum wage. Some players may make only minimum wage. Other ones, there will be a lot of competition over. This gives them a chance to use the athletic director's budget to pay players."

Such a vote could lead to a domino effect around the country. Dartmouth is in the Ivy League, a group of private schools who all have similar profiles. They do not offer scholarships and by and large their sports don't produce revenue. That didn't matter to the NLRB official who focused on the work the athletes put in.

"[Players] perform work in exchange for compensation," NLRB regional manager Laura Sacks ruled on Monday.
Posted by PlaySomeHonk
Montegut La and Liberty MS
Member since Jan 2023
333 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:43 am to
I believe this will escalate to the SCOTUS who may rule differently, but then again given Kavanaughs explanation on NIL, maybe not. It ain’t gonna be pretty for CFB if they uphold the decision.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 1:45 am
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77501 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:05 am to
I dont see this altering it much more than the path its already taking, if anything this will in the long run help out setting up contracts for the players so they cant bail after every season. But yeah, it may lead to some smaller less funded sports going away
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29394 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:39 am to
Everybody go dust off their old PS3 and find you copy of NCAA football 09 and remember the glory days of college football.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37544 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 5:25 am to
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It ain’t gonna be pretty for CFB if they uphold the decision.


CFB will be fine and making the players employees will actually limit transfer rules as you can sign people to binding contracts.

What it will kill is every other men’s sport other than basketball. And if Title IX requires an equal sum of payment to women as men in the athletic department, you may see even basketball die.
Posted by MidLineVeer
Southwest Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
665 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 5:31 am to
This is exactly what's needed. The NCAA sat back and let college athletics be destroyed under their watch. The system has been broken, it cant go on as it is today. They will need to destroy the model and start fresh. The only way this gets fixed is if everyone hurts, everyone looses, everyone bleeds, and it costs everyone $$$$. Rest assured this wont take long, they will have the system repaired and workable in short order. There is too much money at stake.

I love college athletics, but I hate what it has become. I want the players compensated, but unregulated free agency was destine to fail from the start. Your a fool if you believed otherwise.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68320 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:35 am to
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"[Players] perform work in exchange for compensation," NLRB regional manager Laura Sacks ruled on Monday
One moron made this ruling. Will/should be appealed.
Posted by Gountiss
Boone, NC
Member since Aug 2012
525 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:39 am to
I keep seeing how contracts will prevent players from moving around. What happens when a player obviously wants out, and decides to sit out so they can get “fired” and then go anywhere they want to go?
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33584 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:42 am to
I love that these rulings always seem to happen at schools that can afford them the least.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48983 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:48 am to
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CFB will be fine and making the players employees will actually limit transfer rules as you can sign people to binding contracts.


Unless part of the actual contract between players and schools includes the ability to leave wherever
Posted by BigApple
Member since Jun 2022
420 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:56 am to
Didn’t the NCAA pass some initial legislation saying that in 2027 division 1 universities can directly pay nil deals and have set aside 100k per athlete in a trust for said athlete???
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22805 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:20 am to
What is sad is the athletes are not really worth that much. People were wanting to cheer on their school. It isn’t the same. I as a fan am fine it is all dies. I will just watch the real pro sports.

The universities will all scramble to salivate anything as most universities have turned into a money making scheme anyways. People getting paid too much money to teach curriculums that go no where. Administrators managing basically nothing still want to get if too.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 7:22 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86501 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:21 am to
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I dont see this altering it much more than the path its already taking


it changes the very foundation of amateur athletics. Players for decades have been compensated well into the 6 figures simply for beign football players. Now that everyone deemed that that wasn't enough and now they're going to be employees you know what's going to happen? Some schools other than that absolute big boys can say "ok fine, you're an employee. Here's $25/hour. But we've retooled our benefits package so tuition, room and board, clothing, medical care, meal plan, etc are no longer included and you'll be responsible for paying for that on your own".

Sure, most players would not want that and will simply leave. But the fact that that's what some smaller schools willbe FORCED to due because of budget constraints is just absurd. I mean it boggles the mind than in less than 10 years we've gone from "AMATEUR - STUDENT - ATHLETE" to paying high school kids 7 figures to come sit on the bench for 1 season then let him transfer wherever he wants to the highest bidder. All because the fricking government had to somehow, for some reason, insert themselves into college sports.

But hey! everyone clamoring that it wasn't fair that kids couldn't get paid for being in an EA sports video game are sure happy now.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22805 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:24 am to
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All because the fricking government had to somehow, for some reason, insert themselves into college sports.


It all started when colleges started turning it into big business. A bunch of college administrators and college athletic departments got greedy because they realize they could try to turn it into pro sports.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95781 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:36 am to
It may get weird for the Ivy League and Patriot League because they don’t offer scholarships, so they can’t claim players are already getting compensated.

Any school actually providing scholarships can nickel and dime the NLRB to death showing compensation that takes these kids near or above minimum wage.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95781 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:37 am to
If they do this, Title IX is completely dead.

Can’t pay players in all sports if you are forced to have X number of scholarships for money pit sports due to federal diktat.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86501 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:40 am to
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It all started when colleges started turning it into big business.


college football has always been a cash cow. The 21st century and TV contracts making them even MORE of a cash cow shouldn't radically and fundamentally alter the way the sport works.

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37544 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:52 am to
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All because the fricking government had to somehow, for some reason, insert themselves into college sports.


The government didn’t insert themselves into it, someone sued the NCAA and the NCAA lost because based on principle and on precedent, the NCAA was profiting off of un paid labor.

Do I like the current format? No. But it was the right call.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86501 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:27 am to
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he NCAA was profiting off of un paid labor.


unpaid labor?

First of all, these are college students. Literally. Amateur student athletes. They arent' laborers working in a factory. So the fact that schools make money from the football team shoudln't be some kind of big shock? But let's move beyond that.

-Free tuition. Over 4 years that could damn near approach 6 figures by itself, especially if attending an out of state school.
-Free meals. When I was in school it was roughly $2K per semester for the dining hall.
-Free clothing/gear
-Free medical care
-Free housing
-A stipend (yes, actual money. This has exsited a while)
-A televised job interview for the next level which could lead to a multi multi million dollar job if you do well enough

All of that WELL surpasses 6 figures in total compensation. Let's not pretend these kids are 12 year old nike factory workers in china being whipped to churn out more sneakers. These guys are well compensated big men on campus.

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But it was the right call.


It's not close to the right call and the results that we see now speak to that. If a judge saw that some yahoo was suing the NCAA over money he should've said "gtfo, it's college sports are you serious?" Now because of waht's happened we dont' even have college athletics. We have paid professionals pretending to be college students that are traveling mercenaries donning the uniform of whoever is the highest bidder for that specific 12 month period. That isn't college sports.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 8:29 am
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40813 posts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:36 am to
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But yeah, it may lead to some smaller less funded sports going away


Not the female ones....
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