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re: Darius Leonard: You don't need P5 Schools
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You’re right, but they have a MUCH better shot when receiving better than “just good enough” nutrition, training, and coaching.
Actually he's wrong. The margins are so thin to be at the highest level that most players need every edge they can get.
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:16 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Darius Leonard obviously wasn't because he had 0 stars & despite that was ready to play day 1 in the NFL. I'm sure S Carolina State & HBCUS would be just as successful( sending players to the League) if they had access to the same players & money to manipulate teen boys into attending their schools like P5's.
I mean Physically fournette looked ready to play in the NFL out of high school.
How much money & butt kissing does it cost you to get these kids to your schools anyway?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:17 pm to sugar71
HBCU’s have outgrown their purpose and are currently a form of racial segregation based on a racist past.
Change my mind.
Change my mind.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:23 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:No one is denying P5 schools success at enticing teen boys. He made it as a zero star without you & your arrogant fan base patting itself on the back at how only an elite P5 could develop him.
He probably would have jumped to a P5 school if the one time transfer rule was in place for him.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:29 pm to sugar71
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No one is denying P5 schools success at enticing teen boys. He made it as a zero star without you & your arrogant fan base patting itself on the back at how only an elite P5 could develop him.
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Grambling Fan
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:31 pm to sugar71
This is even worse than LSU fans beating their chests over Hester being a 3 star to rationalize bringing in lower ranked recruits.
You’re using extreme outliers to try to make HBCUs equal to P5 schools.
It’s not the 70s anymore.
You’re using extreme outliers to try to make HBCUs equal to P5 schools.
It’s not the 70s anymore.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You also don’t need world class facilities and top notch instructors to understand and advance theoretical particle physics if your a mathematics savant. I guess we don’t need our best and brightest going to the best schools any longer because the absolute top of the gene pool doesn’t need additional help.
What does this have to do with football???
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:45 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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based on a racist past. Change my mind.
Who’s racist past???
Posted on 2/3/22 at 5:50 pm to Origins of Asymmetry
quote:this is the real winning argument here. Yes there’s cases like Leonard that pan out. I’m willing to bet if you look into Leonard’s HS situation (I know nothing about it and am just speculating) he was likely severely underdeveloped in hs (weak coaching, etc) and just getting the edge of competent coaching allowed him to develop into what he did. If he ended up at a P5 the leap likely would’ve been astronomical.
Actually he's wrong. The margins are so thin to be at the highest level that most players need every edge they can get.
Once you reach a certain level the difference between being okay to good to great to elite are minuscule. Having access to elite coaching, facilities, etc. Could be the difference to put you over the edge. Especially when you’re still developing like college kids are. Yes there’s always instances of people like Leonard but just being able to get coaching, training from someone that actually knew what they were doing will push someone with the talent over. You take what he accomplished there and put him in the SEC and he likely turns into a round 1 pick.
As someone that competed at a small time D1 and coaches at an NAIA I appreciate what Leonard is getting at and think most kids need to have a broader window of what’s realistic for them if they want to compete in college. But for the ones that have a realistic chance of going pro, especially those that may be borderline talent wise, you almost have to go to a P5.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:30 pm to sugar71
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He made it as a zero star without you & your arrogant fan base patting itself on the back at how only an elite P5 could develop him.
Who are you arguing against? I don’t think anyone is saying the only way to make it to the league is through power 5. I seem to remember the motto surrounding the nfl is if you have talent they will find you.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:32 pm to lepdagod
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What does this have to do with football???
Sugar is arguing that you don’t need resources to develop athletically. Same should apply to academics then too.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:32 pm to lepdagod
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Who’s racist past???
Ours
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:36 pm to sugar71
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Now imagine if S Carolina State had access to 4/5 stars like P5's with your enticements that teens fall prey to. You have complete access to 3-5 star athletes that small schools like S C State don't. P5's bring the best to campus & cherry pick the very best & process out the rest.
Maybe South Carolina State alums should invest more in to the program. Clemson and South Carolina can offer “enticements”, as you put it, because their fanbases sink millions into the product annually.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:36 pm to sugar71
While your obsession with this is odd, his statements aren’t wrong.
Who is saying these players have to go to P5 schools?
Who is saying these players have to go to P5 schools?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:37 pm to skullhawk
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Maybe South Carolina State alums should invest more in to the program.
they probably would if they could
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:44 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Sugar is arguing that you don’t need resources to develop athletically. Same should apply to academics then too.
He missing the point… trying to create point no ones arguing against
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:51 pm to lepdagod
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Who’s racist past???
The past where schools were segregated. When HBCU’s were needed. They aren’t needed anymore and as such a form of segregation. Being that we need to get rid of all the statues that remind blacks of our racist past, why keep the schools that remind them of the same thing?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:53 pm to sugar71
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S. Carolina State has 4 HOFers. Clemson has 1. USCe has 0.
Many HBCU schools have hall of famers. Several are from an era where blacks couldn’t attend certain schools. Naturally, the talent level at those schools was higher.
The gap between HBCUs and P5 schools has widened significantly.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 6:56 pm to sugar71
20% of the league came from 1 conference. Which is 18% more than all fcs or lower teams combined. 336 vs 284, on opening day rosters.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:02 pm to sugar71
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sugar71
you are one pitiful racist bitch
must suck to see life through your eyes.
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