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re: Darius Leonard: You don't need P5 Schools
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:33 pm to sugar71
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:33 pm to sugar71
They should all try to get into HBCUs first. Then, in the case of Southern and Grambling, they can not play in the playoffs so the schools can “profit off of their hard work” and nobody will say anything about it.
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:57 am to sugar71
Jack Lambert went to Kent State where his teammates were Gary Pinkel and Nick Saban and their coach was Don James.
They played in the Tangerine Bowl against University of Tampa where John Matuszak played (never heard of the school?), it folded football the next year.
Matuszak was the 1st pick in the 1973 NFL draft.
After him the picks were from LSU, Texas, Alabama, Purdue, USC and Michigan.
So yeah, you can go to the smaller schools but you better be insanely awesome and hope the NFL does their due diligence and you get invited to the Combine. Its just a harder road to hoe not getting that media attention like at P5 schools.
They played in the Tangerine Bowl against University of Tampa where John Matuszak played (never heard of the school?), it folded football the next year.
Matuszak was the 1st pick in the 1973 NFL draft.
After him the picks were from LSU, Texas, Alabama, Purdue, USC and Michigan.
So yeah, you can go to the smaller schools but you better be insanely awesome and hope the NFL does their due diligence and you get invited to the Combine. Its just a harder road to hoe not getting that media attention like at P5 schools.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 1:34 am
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:25 am to theGarnetWay
quote:Reality is that P5's seem to get more FBS Scholarship players into the transfer portal en masse( over 1350 this past season alone). While some go to other P5's the vast majority are glad to get an FCS or small G5 offer . 340 plus have already dropped to FCS teams so far( 500 plus still in the portal) & over 60% dropped to FCS last season. Some won't find a school.
But what he said doesn't make non-P5s/HBCU's any more attractive to a young player who can go play for a P5 program that basically treats them like kings...and can still get them in the NFL en masse.
I've been stunned by the number of stars(*) by kids names & ex P5's taking SWAC scholarships alone. Kids sold on dreams of big time Football, television exposure ,etc..... They could not bring those great facilities with them to the portal . Most would have been better served considering smaller schools than allowing p5 schools to process them & cherry pick the very best talent.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:24 am to sugar71
What about the quality of education provided at P5 schools vs HBCU? Most of these kids may realize they aren’t going pro and want to set themselves up for a future without football.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 1:17 pm to sugar71
Grambling has some Hall of Fame players from long ago. Doesn’t mean it’s a good road to take if you want to get to the pros. The college football landscape has changed in the last 50-60 years.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 2/7/22 at 1:56 pm to bgtiger
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They should all try to get into HBCUs first.
This isn't the 70's or 80's, nobody is paying attention to HBCUs. Forget P5, they're not even FCS worthy, which gets WAY more attention and TV time. Shite, Legacy Bowl is a charity event and THE ONE opportunity for players to be seen before the draft...because those other older HBCU games fell off the radar map.
I don't know the numbers now but concrete numbers from 5 years ago show the Bayou Classic drew a 0.1 TV rating...and the game was on NBC and nobody else was playing. That's 200,000 TVs in America watching.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 2:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Trump’s investment in HBCUs paying dividends already. Clean out all of the Democrats and shite gets better, like magic.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:38 pm to sugar71
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I'm sure S Carolina State & HBCUS would be just as successful( sending players to the League) if they had access to the same players & money to manipulate teen boys into attending their schools like P5's.
Then maybe parents that graduate schools like southern shouldn’t send there kids to LSU.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:52 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:You don't know or understand what the hell you are talking about. This past celebration Bowl( 3rd best rated) had 2.6 million viewers & the FCS Championship game between N Dakota & Montana had 1.33 million viewers.
This isn't the 70's or 80's, nobody is paying attention to HBCUs. Forget P5, they're not even FCS worthy, which gets WAY more attention and TV time.
2018 FCS Championship game 1.00 million viewers. Celebration Bowl ( 2.3 million) .2021 Spring FCS (905k)
With the exception of 1 or 2 years the FCS Championship gets spanked in ratings against the Celebration Bowl & crushed in attendance. Despite not having competition from other Bowl games like the Celebration Bowl. And let's not talk about attendance.
Last years Bayou Classic had 68k in attendance and Famu / Cookman recently drew 73, 000. J State got several 60 k crowds this past season . SWAC conference has easily led all FCS Conferences in attendance for 44 of the past 45 Seasons. There is not a single FCS team that can consistently draw 50k- 70 k fans or beat them in ratings . Most G5 schools can't get those numbers out to stadiums.
But I'm here defending all FCS schools ( not attack them) , but a clown like you would come and twist things. HBCU'S don't have the talent , but they are getting far more exposure than players of the past could have ever dreamed of. They got zero television exposure.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:37 pm to PrescriptionPig
quote:HBCU'S aren't the only FCS schools & Hampton , Howard , Morehouse are excellent schools. Again I'm speaking for all FCS schools.Better chance of playing & actually developing at a smaller school unlike the hundreds of transfer portal athletes who haven't played a meaningful down of football in years despite being 3/4* athletes. Much better opportunity to get on the field & develop/ learn than riding the pine at a P5.
What about the quality of education provided at P5 schools vs HBCU?
Again go check the transfer portal & see the staggering number of athletes leaving FBS schools & mostly content with signing with an FCS after being sold that same P5 pitch: "TV / exposure, facilities, prepare you for the next level, etc..." The next level for most is hoping to get actual / experience playing time at an FCS now . Check the portal numbers.
Posted on 2/9/22 at 10:20 am to TackySweater
quote:Darius Leonard was a zero star & had no delusions of p5 schools recruiting him( like me & friends who chose the JUCO/ FCS walk-on route.
Sure he’s probably got some bitterness towards P5 schools because he didn’t get his shot there. I think it’s more a “hey little guy, don’t get discouraged if you don’t get your chance at a big school”
P5's need to get over themselves.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 12:01 am to sugar71
All about the chicks. Oh wait, if that were the case, Southern Miss would be a juggernaut.
Posted on 2/10/22 at 8:28 am to sugar71
It’s not a requirement but it helps.
People can swim across the Mississippi, but it’s easier to get across in a boat
People can swim across the Mississippi, but it’s easier to get across in a boat
Posted on 2/10/22 at 11:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
This isn't the 70's or 80's, nobody is paying attention to HBCUs. Forget P5, they're not even FCS worthy, which gets WAY more attention and TV time. Shite, Legacy Bowl is a charity event and THE ONE opportunity for players to be seen before the draft...because those other older HBCU games fell off the radar map.
I don't know the numbers now but concrete numbers from 5 years ago show the Bayou Classic drew a 0.1 TV rating...and the game was on NBC and nobody else was playing. That's 200,000 TVs in America watching.
You kinda missed the sarcasm in my post. The impetus for all this HBCU awakening in sports is race, and the idea that white people/schools are profiting off of these "poor black kids". My point is that they SHOULD fill those rosters out, play your games on a sandbox, workout in the shittier facilities (many times due to fraud and mismanagement), and in the case of Southern and Grambling ,forego a chance to play in the FCS playoffs so the schools can make $$$. It comes full circle in that way, and the only truth in the HBCU awakening is frick whitey.
This post was edited on 2/10/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/10/22 at 1:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:Obviously you haven't paid attention to the transfer portal. Nearly 3000 FBS/ P5 players have hit the portal in 2 seasons & most are going to FCS because many can't even get on the field. I'd think getting on the field & actually playing ( like Leonard, Hargrave, Rice,Sharpe, etc..) is a better path than getting processed at a P5. Nearly 400 have transferred to FCS schools so far (500 plus still in) , but only after allowing P5s to horde & sort out the best talent then pat themselves on the back for developing a few dozen NFL players.
It’s not a requirement but it helps.
People can swim across the Mississippi, but it’s easier to get across in a boat
Let's talk about the thousands in only 2 seasons who are in the transfer portal & glad to now get an opportunity at an FCS. Ask them how easy it is at p5s.
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