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re: Could athletes of the 70's and 80's compete today?
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:00 am to Hook Em Horns
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:00 am to Hook Em Horns
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You are the biggest fricking troll on this website. Period. And when somebody calls you out on it, ALL YOU frickING DO IS TYPE UP some dumbshit JUST LIKE THIS To try to make your point..THAT, btw is what is old and stale. How predicable you are..
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Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:13 am to Sophandros
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Players are bigger faster and stronger in hoops today. Look at a game from the 80s and compare the physiques. Hell, look at Shaq from his rookie year compared to his prime.
This. It's really easy to prove as well as there are a plethora of examples on youtube. 80's basketball was WIDE open. More possessions per game, faster paced, WAY more spacing, NO defense (yes, that's right, the evidence is in the footage), and slow players with the exception of a few. It has a reputation for defense because some of the slow players couldn't keep up with the younger, faster players so they just hacked them.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:13 am to rpg37
I think baseball is the one sport that translate best. I think players could compete in different eras. The sport is really unchanged. All other major sports have evolved much more.
i agree, and would also say the same for basketball. yes alot of current basketball players are freak athletes, but besides lebron, do any of them have legit skills? guys like blake griffin and dwight howard are nice, but they are known for monster slams, neither could block kareem's skyhook or olajuwon's fadeaway. guys like bird, magic, kareem, etc may not have had the freakish athletic ability of some of todays guys, but were way more polished.
football is a different story, the physical nature of the game would definitely favor today's bigger, stronger, faster athlete
i agree, and would also say the same for basketball. yes alot of current basketball players are freak athletes, but besides lebron, do any of them have legit skills? guys like blake griffin and dwight howard are nice, but they are known for monster slams, neither could block kareem's skyhook or olajuwon's fadeaway. guys like bird, magic, kareem, etc may not have had the freakish athletic ability of some of todays guys, but were way more polished.
football is a different story, the physical nature of the game would definitely favor today's bigger, stronger, faster athlete
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:24 am to 632627
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yes alot of current basketball players are freak athletes, but besides lebron, do any of them have legit skills?
Off the top of my head:
Kobe
Durant
Chris Paul
Bynum (when healthy)
Wade
Rose
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Ricky Rubio
Kevin Love
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Jason Kidd
Luis Scola
Marc Gasol
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Carmelo Anthony
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:28 am to Snakebucket
Some could, especially given the better training techniques, diets etc.
Apples and Oranges, technology has a lot more to do with it than some evolutionary leap forward.
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I suspect that, just as Olympic records from 30 years ago have been shattered, that the current teams would simply destroy the earlier ones.
Apples and Oranges, technology has a lot more to do with it than some evolutionary leap forward.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:30 am to theunknownknight
Could athletes of the 70's and 80's compete today?
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yes alot of current basketball players are freak athletes, but besides lebron, do any of them have legit skills?
Off the top of my head:
Kobe
Durant
Chris Paul
Bynum (when healthy)
Wade
Rose
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Ricky Rubio
Kevin Love
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Jason Kidd
Luis Scola
Marc Gasol
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Carmelo Anthony
you proved my point. those are the best players in todays game, and which of those qualifies as a freak athlete?
lebron, dwight howard, blake griffin are freak athletes that didnt exist 20 years ago.
the rest of the guys you listed arent much different athletically than players of the last few decades. they all have excellent basketball skills.
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yes alot of current basketball players are freak athletes, but besides lebron, do any of them have legit skills?
Off the top of my head:
Kobe
Durant
Chris Paul
Bynum (when healthy)
Wade
Rose
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Ricky Rubio
Kevin Love
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Jason Kidd
Luis Scola
Marc Gasol
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Carmelo Anthony
you proved my point. those are the best players in todays game, and which of those qualifies as a freak athlete?
lebron, dwight howard, blake griffin are freak athletes that didnt exist 20 years ago.
the rest of the guys you listed arent much different athletically than players of the last few decades. they all have excellent basketball skills.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:33 am to 632627
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dwight howard, blake griffin are freak athletes that didnt exist 20 years ago
BS, you get up in the physiques, because now they lift weights and they didn't in the past.
Karl Malone and Guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson are = to Griffin and Howard.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:34 am to 632627
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lebron, dwight howard, blake griffin are freak athletes that didnt exist 20 years ago.
Dare I say Magic johnson and Dominique Wilkins, just to name a couple.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:35 am to H-Town Tiger
85 Bears would get a 15 yard penalty on every other play with today's rules.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:35 am to 632627
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football is a different story, the physical nature of the game would definitely favor today's bigger, stronger, faster athlete
True but at some of the skill positions, the size difference isn't as great as you would find on the lines (250 pound lineman vs 350 pounders today). Granted there weren't any Josh Freeman, Rivers, Newton sized qbs nor were there 220+ pound wrs like you see common today.
OJ Simpson 6-2 210
Jim Brown 6-2 232
Adrian Peterson 6-1 217
T Bradshaw 6-3 215
Staubach 6-3 200
Johnny Unitas 6-1 195
Aaron Rodgers 6-3 220
Brees 6-0 210
Steve Largent 5-11 190
Wes Welker 5-9 190
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:42 am to dukke v
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Dare I say Magic johnson and Dominique Wilkins, just to name a couple.
Exactly, the big difference, now these guys work out with weights, so they are cut, they didn't do that in the past, so they look like better athletes now. Give some of the guys from the 80's the training regimes they do today and you'd see the same thing.
My favorite is when people say guys like Kareem would be broken in half in today's game cause he looks skinny. In the 70's the NBA was like the NHL, I'm pretty sure some of those guys could handle themselves.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:42 am to H-Town Tiger
dwight howard, blake griffin are freak athletes that didnt exist 20 years ago
BS, you get up in the physiques, because now they lift weights and they didn't in the past.
Karl Malone and Guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson are = to Griffin and Howard.
i am in 100% agreement here!! my whole point regarding basketball is guys in the 70s/80s/90s were great athletes who had excellent skills, a la malone or david robinson.
today's guys, like a dwight howard or blake griffin, are slightly better athletically, but don't have the polished skills of previous generations.
therefor i was just trying to argue the best basketball teams/players of the 70s-90s could in fact compete with todays basketball teams/athletes.
BS, you get up in the physiques, because now they lift weights and they didn't in the past.
Karl Malone and Guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson are = to Griffin and Howard.
i am in 100% agreement here!! my whole point regarding basketball is guys in the 70s/80s/90s were great athletes who had excellent skills, a la malone or david robinson.
today's guys, like a dwight howard or blake griffin, are slightly better athletically, but don't have the polished skills of previous generations.
therefor i was just trying to argue the best basketball teams/players of the 70s-90s could in fact compete with todays basketball teams/athletes.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:46 am to theunknownknight
Off the top of my head:
Kobe
Durant
Chris Paul
Bynum (when healthy)
Wade
Rose
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Ricky Rubio
Kevin Love
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Jason Kidd
Luis Scola
Marc Gasol
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Carmelo Anthony
when you look at that list, how many of those guys stand out to you as being much more athletically superior, due to modern training/technology, than guys of the 80s.
my point is none of those guys do. basketball hasn't evolved to a point where the players of the 80s are significantly inferior to todays athlete, and could thus compete evenly.
football is a different story
Posted on 1/5/12 at 9:52 am to 632627
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you proved my point. those are the best players in todays game, and which of those qualifies as a freak athlete?
You're missing the overall point though. True, the stars were good back then, but the non-stars couldn't sniff the current role players in terms of what we have been discussing. There was a much wider gap between the best player on a team and the 4th best player on a team in terms of output and athleticism (outside of the Lakers/Celtics).
In today's NBA, the talent pool is 6 BILLION people larger. The current teams are DEEP with speed, size, and athleticism. I actually did a study on this a while back. Players in the 80's were on average, a few inches shorter across the board, and lighter.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 10:19 am to Snakebucket
you also have to factor in the rule changes, which have an impact on the kind of athlete suited for a position. This is a factor on the offensive line in particular. A lineman from the seventies would be a at a disadvantage now...not big enough. By the same token a modern lineman would have trouble competing in the seventies...not mobile enough.
You also have to factor in training and nutrition methods. The NFL was a part time job back in the day and guys didn't do much in the offseason. Put players from the previous era on a year round weight program and they'd blow up.
You also have to factor in training and nutrition methods. The NFL was a part time job back in the day and guys didn't do much in the offseason. Put players from the previous era on a year round weight program and they'd blow up.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 10:21 am to theunknownknight
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You're missing the overall point though. True, the stars were good back then, but the non-stars couldn't sniff the current role players in terms of what we have been discussing. There was a much wider gap between the best player on a team and the 4th best player on a team in terms of output and athleticism (outside of the Lakers/Celtics).
In today's NBA, the talent pool is 6 BILLION people larger. The current teams are DEEP with speed, size, and athleticism. I actually did a study on this a while back. Players in the 80's were on average, a few inches shorter across the board, and lighter.
I agree, and realize that was the op original question. With everybody talking bears /saints I thought the question was could the best teams of the 80s compete with today's best teams; to which I would argue yes, in the NBA.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 10:26 am to 632627
If you could magically line up the 85 bears D AS THEY WERE IN 1985, against the current 2011 Saints.
There is NO WAY IN HELL, the Bears matchup and stop the Saints passing attack
to think otherwise is just plain stupid
There is NO WAY IN HELL, the Bears matchup and stop the Saints passing attack
to think otherwise is just plain stupid
Posted on 1/5/12 at 10:30 am to Snakebucket
sure. give them the same weights and nutrition.
I mean,
you think Cassius Clay wouldn't dominate these guys? or George Foreman. Keep in mind they fought FIFTEEN rounds.
I mean,
you think Cassius Clay wouldn't dominate these guys? or George Foreman. Keep in mind they fought FIFTEEN rounds.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 10:31 am to theunknownknight
It's really noticeable in international tournaments that other countries don't believe in weight training for baskeball players. European players are scrawny for the most part.
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