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re: Cole Kmet contract extension: this is why RBs are mad
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:26 am to GamecockUltimate
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:26 am to GamecockUltimate
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I admit I don't understand NFL and contracts...but shouldnt a 4 year deal be worth more than a 1 year deal?
He’s getting more per year than Saquon gets for his 1 yr.
Basically $12.5 million vs $11 million
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:27 am to TROLA
quote:Not really
Dont be fricking stupid. They are not more important to every team.. tight ends are going to suffer some of the same issues running backs suffer as more elite athletes play the position, devaluing their individual worth as the market will eventually adjust..
The issue is why pay a Saquon Barkley top money when you can draft a rookie and pay him peanuts and that rookie can give you 75% of the production of Barkley...That is not similar to the TE position. There isn't some overwhelming number of TEs you can turn to or grab as a rookie and be confident they can produce.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:28 am to shel311
Also, all this talk about the poor running backs on the MSB, why didn't I ever see a single thread or even 1 post with this same concern for fullbacks?
The fullback position became devalued and is now basically extinct, and no one cared. Now, the running back position is devalued and everyone is so worried about running backs.
The fullback position became devalued and is now basically extinct, and no one cared. Now, the running back position is devalued and everyone is so worried about running backs.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:33 am to VADawg
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6'6 260 pound human beings who are in good enough shape and have good enough skill to play a skill position in the NFL most certainly do not grow on trees. They're certainly more rare than 6'0 220 pound human beings.
So are you suggesting he got paid for being 6’6 250 and in shape?
He was 13th amongst TEs last year in yards. If we are talking about TE production, then certainly there are many average TEs like Kmet in the nfl
By no means should a guy who is a middle of the pack TE be paid more than Saquon
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:35 am to shel311
Same with middle linebackers.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:37 am to Fun Bunch
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However, if I was an elite athlete playing RB in HS, I would do everything in my power to try to transition to WR.
Based on their build, may not be an easy transition. If they are stocky, may be better off as a SS, LB, or DE (for the bigger ones like Henry)
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:41 am to sunnydaze
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He was 13th amongst TEs last year in yards. If we are talking about TE production, then certainly there are many average TEs like Kmet in the nfl
By no means should a guy who is a middle of the pack TE be paid more than Saquon
I know that you understand the issue, so I'm sure this is just poorly worded. Running backs conflate their idea of global value to a team with their relative value to their peer players. The second issue here is that Barkley is tagged. He does not have the leverage to get a long term deal to his liking.
There are fewer tight ends that can produce at Kmet's modest level then there are running backs that can produce at an above average level.
Kmet is more valuable among tight end candidates than a franchise tagged Barkley is among running backs. If Barkley was on the free market, I would imagine he could get a contract with a higher AAV than Kmet. He isn't. His union agreed to the rules that allowed his team to franchise him. Don't cry for him, Argentina. Better luck to him next labor deal. I doubt it will be much different though.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:46 am to shel311
quote:You really don’t know why the media suddenly cares about one and didn’t care about the other?
The fullback position became devalued and is now basically extinct, and no one cared. Now, the running back position is devalued and everyone is so worried about running backs
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:48 am to sunnydaze
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So are you suggesting he got paid for being 6’6 250 and in shape?
It’s very obviously not what he suggested
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He was 13th amongst TEs last year in yards. If we are talking about TE production, then certainly there are many average TEs like Kmet in the nfl
QB production is a big piece of the puzzle and contracts are based on talent and future production most of the time (ideally)
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By no means should a guy who is a middle of the pack TE be paid more than Saquon
That’s simply not how it works.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 9:50 am to NaturalBeam
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You really don’t know why the media suddenly cares about one and didn’t care about the other?
I think most know the why which is multifaceted. It's the offseason, running backs perceived value higher than Lorenzo Neal and Larry Centers, injury prone running back with up and down performance that happens to be in NY. I think some people just aren't interested in taking the handoff of carried water from the media that continues to destabilize football at all levels.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:01 am to shel311
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Also, all this talk about the poor running backs on the MSB, why didn't I ever see a single thread or even 1 post with this same concern for fullbacks? The fullback position became devalued and is now basically extinct, and no one cared.
Now, the running back position is devalued and everyone is so worried about running backs.
I think because RBs used to be the face of the league, and are still one of the most well known positions. These guys were superstars a few years ago and now are totally replaceable
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:11 am to Tiger1242
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This is just a thread to point out why RBs are upset, an average TE is able to negotiate a long term contract worth more per year than what one of the best RBs in the league is able to get for a year and what the RB franchise tag is worth, it does suck for them.
This is like primary care doctors complaining that neurosurgeons makes more money
You dont do the same job
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:12 am to shel311
quote:
Also, all this talk about the poor running backs on the MSB, why didn't I ever see a single thread or even 1 post with this same concern for fullbacks?
The fullback position became devalued and is now basically extinct, and no one cared. Now, the running back position is devalued and everyone is so worried about running backs.
The issue is the RB position still accounts for a huge chunk of production within an offense.
It is not like the position has been phased out like what happened with FBs.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:14 am to hiltacular
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The issue is the RB position still accounts for a huge chunk of production within an offense.
But the RB you use doesnt seem to matter that much
The WR or TE you use matters a lot
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:16 am to hiltacular
Except that it is far from uncommon for teams to bring in a late round draft pick or a UDFA who puts up great numbers compared to an established RB or a high round pick.
Priest Holmes, Arian Foster, Pierre Thomas, and others were all undrafted but put up major numbers.
Priest Holmes, Arian Foster, Pierre Thomas, and others were all undrafted but put up major numbers.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:17 am to shel311
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The fullback position became devalued and is now basically extinct, and no one cared. Now, the running back position is devalued and everyone is so worried about running backs.
The issues are a little different
Coaches killed the fullback by getting away from I formation. The value of an extra receiver in other schemes is >>>> the value of a fullback in them
Front offices are killing the RB by not paying them, but they still have a place in most schemes. It’s just that they’re replaceable
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:17 am to Cosmo
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But the RB you use doesnt seem to matter that much
I never said it did, I think we all understand why they aren't getting paid.
All I am saying is that the position itself still accounts for a lot of the production in an offense.
For some reason FBs got brought into the mix, that position was totally eliminated from offenses.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:20 am to Tiger1242
RBs are getting to women’s soccer level. You are worth what someone will pay you and that’s based off the value you bring.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:24 am to hiltacular
quote:But less than they used to, and also while there's a shite ton of RBs that can replace any other RB and give you 80-90% of production at a cheaper price.
The issue is the RB position still accounts for a huge chunk of production within an offense.
This is a non issue, there is no CBA changes needed specific to the running back. This is the evolution of the game.
quote:Not phased out but just like the fullback, less important compared to 20-30 years ago.
It is not like the position has been phased out like what happened with FBs.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 10:26 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Are coaches not making RBs less valuable by passing the ball more nowadays?
Coaches killed the fullback by getting away from I formation. The value of an extra receiver in other schemes is >>>> the value of a fullback in them
Front offices are killing the RB by not paying them, but they still have a place in most schemes.
quote:That's obviously a part of it. But individual running backs don't get the ball nearly as much as they used to because of changes in schemes and just the general evolution of the game.
It’s just that they’re replaceable
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