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Clayton Kershaws Average Outing in the Playoffs

Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:52 pm
Posted by AlexTheGreat
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:52 pm
This is after 145 innings

5.0 IP, 4 H, 2.4 ER, 1.5 BB , 5.5 SO , 0.7 HR, 4.28 ERA

To put this in perspective, his playoff production is worse than the AVERAGE SP in the 2018 regular season

See Kershaw Playoffs vs SP
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
26297 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:56 pm to
You forgot the 9-9 W-L record

It's obvious that he dominates inferior teams but when going against good players, he's below average.

Same said about his WS competition, especially in American league parks.

He's basically the most overrated "dominate" pitcher I can remember.

He's also going to play his entire career in the NL (which vastly skews numbers in his favor).

I'll take Curt Schilling in a blink before Kershaw.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59227 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 12:57 pm to
Fastball 90-91 all night. Secondary stuff lacked location and didn't have a lot of movement. I don't know if this is fatigue or him losing it, but I wouldn't make a long term investment in last night's Kershaw.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65210 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:01 pm to
Same here. I’m a Dodgers fan but if he opts out of his final two years the front office should let him walk. The next team will be paying him for what he used to be, not what he is now
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287642 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:09 pm to
Not enough sample size, they say
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34684 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

It's obvious that he dominates inferior teams but when going against good players, he's below average.


You don't know what you're talking about. Kershaw's numbers are outstanding against AL teams and teams with a winning percentage over .500.

Kershaw's career numbers against teams with a winning percentage over .500

72-36, 2.33 ERA (lower than career ERA), 0.97 WHIP (lower than career WHIP), 9.7 SO/9, 4.38 SO/Walk Ratio

Kershaw's career numbers in interleague

17-4, 2.14 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 9.8 SO/9, 4.91 SO/Walk Ratio (All better numbers than his career stats)
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149255 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

It's obvious that he dominates inferior teams but when going against good players, he's below average.
quote:

He's basically the most overrated "dominate" pitcher I can remember.
quote:

I'll take Curt Schilling in a blink before Kershaw.
Oh. My. God
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8960 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:24 pm to
Kershaw is one of the best pitchers of the new millennium. Some outstanding pitchers are not as dominant in the postseason (Maddox, Glavine) while others are even better in October (Schilling, Smoltz). Either way it doesn’t detract from what Kershaw has done throughout his career.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149255 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Some outstanding pitchers are not as dominant in the postseason (Maddox, Glavine) while others are even better in October (Schilling, Smoltz).
its like the playoffs are totally a crapshoot
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73865 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Clayton Kershaw Starts with 5+ Runs Allowed Since 2013

Postseason: 7 (21 total)
Reg. Season: 8 (167 total)
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8695 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:53 pm to
Maybe this seems like a radical idea to some, but I would focus on the 2096 inning sample of regular season pitching over a 145 inning sample of postseason work if I was going to evaluate someone's ability.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287642 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:05 pm to
That is insane Sandy
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
99483 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:09 pm to
That's why we call him Clayton Cuckshaw
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44558 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:41 pm to
Your pitching has to be on during the playoffs. Kershaw may find himself in middle relief.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13276 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

It's obvious that he dominates inferior teams but when going against good players, he's below average.

Same said about his WS competition, especially in American league parks.

He's basically the most overrated "dominate" pitcher I can remember.



Never go full retard.

(But yes he is extremely average and inconsistent in the playoffs. If he opts out I will be furious if we resign him because he is on the decline hard now too.)
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9510 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

Some outstanding pitchers are not as dominant in the postseason (Maddox, Glavine)


Huh???? Maddux and Glavine were great pitchers in the postseason too.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107795 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

Maddux and Glavine were great pitchers in the postseason too


Maddux postseason stats

3.27 ERA---1.242 WHIP

Kershaw Stats

4.28 ERA---1.097 WHIP


I have always contended Kershaw "doesnt choke", and I still will bang that drum all day. He has just been way more inconsistent in the post season, IMHO, due to both fatigue and a smaller sample size.


Someone who was a choker wouldnt have thrown as many dominant performances as he has in the post season
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 3:44 pm
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9510 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

Maddux postseason stats

3.27 ERA---1.242 WHIP


Maddux and Glavine from 1993 to 1999 in the Postseason.

Maddux - 2.39 ERA -- 1.11 WHIP

Glavine - 2.48 ERA -- 1.16 WHIP
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107795 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Maddux and Glavine from 1993 to 1999 in the Postseason.

Do you have a calculator for this?

What are kershaws numbers if you just remove 2013 and 2014
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149255 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:57 pm to
And he is still letting fewer runners on base and striking out more and walking fewer. Ie, things that usually play out over a 162 game sample size but usually dont in three or four starts where the innate randomness of baseball can frick you, like last night when on two separate occasions, the red sox beat out DPs by less than half a step that ended up scoring three total runs. It happens. He absolutely is inconsistent, but the idea that people continue to bang this drum that he is a choker or cant pitch in the playoffs when he has had more than enough dominant playoff performances is just weird
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 3:59 pm
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