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re: Can someone explain to me the LHSAA split?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:36 am to Mikey Ballgame
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:36 am to Mikey Ballgame
I’d have to look at SL’s distribution of state meet appearances in various events to make a call on recruiting vs good coaching.
Episcopal wins Cross Country every year and typically contends or wins in Track.
They have an excellent coach who does both sports and there is overlap between CC and the distance running in track.
They occasionally get good throwers or some sprint speed but their bread and butter is distance running, pole vault, and relays.
Those are all events where hard work and good coaching can make a huge difference.
Episcopal wins Cross Country every year and typically contends or wins in Track.
They have an excellent coach who does both sports and there is overlap between CC and the distance running in track.
They occasionally get good throwers or some sprint speed but their bread and butter is distance running, pole vault, and relays.
Those are all events where hard work and good coaching can make a huge difference.
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:39 am to JordonfortheJ
The only multiplier involved in Louisiana is for single-sex schools. Since so many of the private/Catholic schools in Greater New Orleans and in other places are not co-educational. Thus, their enrollment number is doubled by the LHSAA for the purposes of classification.
That is how my high school, back in the 1980s, with only 180 students, was in that AA district with J.C., Belle Chasse, Newman, Buras, River Oaks, Northshore, and St. Charles. 180 x 2 is 360 and there you go.
That is how my high school, back in the 1980s, with only 180 students, was in that AA district with J.C., Belle Chasse, Newman, Buras, River Oaks, Northshore, and St. Charles. 180 x 2 is 360 and there you go.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:41 am to jlovel7
It's called Louisiana politics. However, the top schools, public and private, schedule the better competition from the other classification.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:41 am to CoastTrashTiger
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Publics were recruiting, and publics and privates still do the split did not solve anything from that perspective either.
The issue is one is hindered by state law saying kids must live in their district in order to attend their school. Privates are not hindered by that policy.
All a private school has to do is say, "come here... we will cover your tutition"
Where publics have to say, "Sell your house, move to our district, then you can play"
It is a much easier task for private schools especially given the "prestige" factor of being offered a scholly
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 9:42 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:51 am to Tigeralum2008
The privates give scholarships, or partial scholarships to non-athletes as well in many cases. The "honest" privates also provide work-study and other tuition breaks to needy students both athletes and non-athletes. We had friends whose children were non-athletes and were work-study. Heck my high school had it back in my time 30+ years ago. We were no powerhouse school cheating, we barely made budget even with the subsidy from the Archdiocese.
MOST students on financial aid have to fill out the FAFSA. I worked at an expensive, independent school in greater New Orleans for five years and one of the perks was a half-tuition remission, but to avail myself of it, I would have had to fill out the FAFSA even though they knew damn good-and-well, what they paid me.
Eff. That.
MOST students on financial aid have to fill out the FAFSA. I worked at an expensive, independent school in greater New Orleans for five years and one of the perks was a half-tuition remission, but to avail myself of it, I would have had to fill out the FAFSA even though they knew damn good-and-well, what they paid me.
Eff. That.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:59 am to CoastTrashTiger
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Publics recruit as much if not more because they have to recruit against 2 if not 3 and 4 schools. If publics only ever got kids from their "zone" it would justify it a little bit more but not much.
I guess my perspective is from a rural public school. Everyone who went to my school did so because they were zoned there, and they weren't "zoned" through recruitment, they actually lived there.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:02 am to Epic Cajun
quote:And my perspective from living in the city is I went to the private school so I didnt get murdered or become a low life druggie.
I guess my perspective is from a rural public school. Everyone who went to my school did so because they were zoned there, and they weren't "zoned" through recruitment, they actually lived there.
The public school I would have attended got shut down it was so bad
99% of the stories for both public and private are people like me and you.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 10:03 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:13 am to RedPop4
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The privates give scholarships, or partial scholarships to non-athletes as well in many cases. The "honest" privates also provide work-study and other tuition breaks to needy students both athletes and non-athletes. We had friends whose children were non-athletes and were work-study. Heck my high school had it back in my time 30+ years ago. We were no powerhouse school cheating, we barely made budget even with the subsidy from the Archdiocese.
MOST students on financial aid have to fill out the FAFSA. I worked at an expensive, independent school in greater New Orleans for five years and one of the perks was a half-tuition remission, but to avail myself of it, I would have had to fill out the FAFSA even though they knew damn good-and-well, what they paid me.
Eff. That.
There's a certain school in BR that is now closed who won a certain amount of state titles with kids receiving discounted tuition or "adjusted payments" for sports and academics. Basically if you could help the school out, the principal would help you out. Those agreements were never written in the official accounting system
I don't have a problem with schools making arrangements because it often benefits a student who would have attended an underpriviledged school
I do have a problem asking two schools to compete for the same title when one has a clear advantage in attracting top talent to their campus. The split means that each school in those divisions is on an equal playing field in terms of the ways one can build their team.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:15 am to lsupride87
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And my perspective from living in the city is I went to the private school so I didnt get murdered or become a low life druggie.
The public school I would have attended got shut down it was so bad
99% of the stories for both public and private are people like me and you.
I get that, but the 1% can make a difference in sports. You really only need to recruit a handful of players to give yourself an advantage there.
I don't see what's wrong with playing against teams on a "level playing field".
If LSU could only recruit and roster players from inside of Louisiana, and Alabama could recruit and roster players from the entire country (including Louisiana) would they be on a level playing field?
ETA: There is an obvious and blatant advantage that private schools get over public schools. I don't see how someone can rationally look at it and disagree with that.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:17 am to Epic Cajun
quote:There is an obvious advantage of your school being free and not $10k either.......And the myth that "they go for free" is bullshite on almost all accounts. The church cares more about money than winning football games, trust me.....
ETA: There is an obvious and blatant advantage that private schools get over public schools. I don't see how someone can rationally look at it and disagree with that.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:24 am to teke184
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I’d have to look at SL’s distribution of state meet appearances in various events to make a call on recruiting vs good coaching.
I'm not even accusing them of actively recruiting. If you're a good CC runner and know of Episcopal's reputation, why wouldn't you go there? If Southern Lab has won state 10 years in a row and you're a great sprinter and don't want to go to Baker or Tara or wherever and be on a mediocre or bad team with poor coaching, why not go to Lab instead and be successful? This applies to all sports, not just track & field.
Most small town athletes don't really have this option.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:30 am to lsupride87
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And the myth that "they go for free" is bull shite on almost all accounts. The church cares more about money than winning football games, trust me.....
The priest at our church/school would often times find parishioners who could "sponsor" a student. The student being a top tier athlete was purely coincidental
There are also ways to have businesses sponsor students. Not all "scholarships" or "aid" packages were funded directly by school/diocesan monies.
Also, having a top tier athletic program leads to substantial growth in enrollment. Trust me...I have seen it firsthand
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:33 am to lsupride87
The Nola teams that have DOMINATED 4A pull kids from all over, yet they stay in Non Select. Because they don't select the kids technically, despite the fact they pull from a massive base.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:41 am to JJ27
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The Nola teams that have DOMINATED 4A pull kids from all over, yet they stay in Non Select. Because they don't select the kids technically, despite the fact they pull from a massive base.
Heck, I have read on this here forum that some of the NOLa magnet schools on the West Bank pull kids from Jefferson Parish. Who is cheating in this case? Is it the school. or the schools? Is the cheating the families who want their kids to play there instead of in Harvey or Marrero?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:43 am to RedPop4
It's some app they use to send kids to different schools. So technically, they didn't "Select" their schools. The schools that use it have risen to prominence though. 2 of them will be playing each other in the Dome Saturday.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:46 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Where do we stop though? Is it really a level playing field when one public school is from a wealthier area and the kids get better nutrition and training because of this?
I don't see what's wrong with playing against teams on a "level playing field".
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:52 pm to JJ27
quote:it probably has a lot to do with the schools being ran by charter organizations rather than OPSB...
2 of them will be playing each other in the Dome Saturday.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:49 pm to lsupride87
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There is an obvious advantage of your school being free and not $10k either.
This is irrelevant when we're talking about competition between public and private schools.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
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Where do we stop though? Is it really a level playing field when one public school is from a wealthier area and the kids get better nutrition and training because of this?
It's never going to be 100% equal, but the schools should at least have to follow the same rules. Does LSU have an advantage over Wyoming because they have a better school, facilities, recruiters, etc...? Yes, but at least both schools are playing under the same rules. I don't see how this is hard to grasp.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 2:56 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The issue is one is hindered by state law saying kids must live in their district in order to attend their school. Privates are not hindered by that policy.
Not completely true. I did not attend the school I was districted for but attended another public school. I was eligible to play.
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