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Can someone explain to me the LHSAA split?

Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:50 pm
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:50 pm
Like who it was supposed to benefit and why it happened? I come from the VHSL (Virginia) and Public Schools and Private schools have been completely separated in all sports (outside of exhibition matchups) for as long as I can remember and probably since before I was born. It was very new to me to have public and private schools competing.

If I understand it correctly they still compete in the regular season but are split come playoff time?
Posted by GoldenBoy
Winning!
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:51 pm to
Public schools complained that private schools had an advantage.
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
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28419 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:51 pm to
Blame Many High
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:52 pm to
5 pages, only because its been discussed so much
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21339 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

Public schools complained that private schools had an advantage.


But why?
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18291 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:56 pm to
White privilege
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 2:59 pm to
Short version - no one wanted to play Evangel or John Curtis.

It’s part of a 20+ year cycle of classifications playing “hot potato” to see who gets assrammed by major powers on an annua basis.
Posted by CajunsTigersSaints
Member since Jan 2015
4532 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:00 pm to
Private schools be recruiting out the hood
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
2444 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:01 pm to
Unlike most states, the private schools are under the same governing body as the public. Hence, chaos.
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

Like who it was supposed to benefit and why it happened?


It was supposed to benefit mainly smaller public schools in lower classifications 1-3A that could not make it to even the quarterfinals some schools complained about not even making the playoffs. Larger non-select schools for the most part did not make a huge deal about it. It really truly boiled down to two schools Evangel and John Curtis and how they were terated.

It basically came down to a societal trend, of when cannot compete its not our fault it is somebody else's. Coming from another state where it was a virtual total split as well, I always admired and would have killed for what Louisiana had for so long. Now the "split" is spreading to other sports and I predict there will be a real split as in two totally separate associations in 5-7 years.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21274 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:05 pm to
Lots of public school principals and school board politicians just wanted something to whine and complain about.

Many public school athletic directors and football coaches were against the split, but principals are the ones who voted.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21339 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

Now the "split" is spreading to other sports and I predict there will be a real split as in two totally separate associations in 5-7 years.



Which will frick the private schools based on their lack of numbers. Hell, Virginia private schools play during the days on Saturdays because most of them can't afford to install lights in their fields. And a lot of these schools are the type of places congressmen send their kids
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19829 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:14 pm to
Private school were recruiting
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:23 pm to
Publics were recruiting, and publics and privates still do the split did not solve anything from that perspective either.

Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

Which will frick the private schools based on their lack of numbers.


Not as much as it does in other states, however privates not in clusters in and around cities it absolutely will crush. I have lived in DC and knew people from VA and went to some DMV area catholic league football games and their was a definite reasons and it should have been split completely from what I heard. As you said it had always been like that.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14410 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:09 pm to
You pretty much have your answer, but I will chime in and chum/cloudy the waters.

The roots of this split and the public schools' resentment started about 20 years ago. John Curtis Christian School in River Ridge and Evangel Academy in Shreveport are two perennial powerhouse football programs in the state. Curtis has +/- AA enrollment, and Evangel vacillates between AA and A enrollment.

For years, however they played up. The rest of the schools in the state got tired of losing to them, and about 15 years ago forced them to play in-class. Back when I was in high school, our 180 boys-only school was classified AA and Curtis was in our district which was a joke.

But even so, the big schools in 5-A and wherever Evangel played were tired of it, and had the LHSAA force them to play in-class. They steamrolled their lower classification opponents, so they were, again, allowed to play up, however, the public school principals began campaigning and by 2013 proposed a split-playoff system. The principals at Many High School, and Winnfield High School were the two who were the public leaders of the charge.

It passed. A couple years later, after negotiations and attempt after attempt to fix it failed, the majority of the LHSAA, which are the publics, voted to split playoffs for basketball, volleyball, and baseball/softball as well. Again, the principal at Many was one of the public leaders of this effort, as well.

The result? 5 classifications (public) 4 divisions for football, and even more for basketball and baseball as Louisiana has class B and class C for smaller schools that do not play football.

This gives us 9 state champions in football, and 11 state champions in boys basketball and baseball as well as 11 in girls basketball and softball.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14410 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:18 pm to
Many of the private schools in greater New Orleans have declining enrollment, but in the metro area, the attendance numbers for football absolutely favor the privates. I live near East Jefferson Stadium, and can anecdotally tell you, that there are not many folks at many football games except when Archbishop Rummel plays against one of their larger Catholic League rivals.

The trend in the rest of the state is the opposite, or so I have read on this board, the publics around the rest of the state outdraw the privates.

According to people who seem to know things, the privates and their supporters are already sick of the situation, they are not even an effective minority in the LHSAA. The publics call all the shots, and there are not enough private schools to really affect the vote.

Additionally, however, it seems that there is no resolve or consensus among the privates that would even facilitate their leaving the LHSAA, and they disagree on too many issues to even convincingly threaten to leave. Of course the LHSAA wants their metro New Orleans and Baton Rouge attendance monies, but any threat to leave? They can't get together and agree to basic, common ideas.

Many of the privates simply do not want to be the ones to "destroy" the LHSAA, either, or so it seems. Many still think that they can put Humpty Dumpty back together again if they say the right words, promote ideas that would alleviate tensions or what-have-you. The publics just vote down most proposals IF the executive commettee even allows them onto the meeting agenda for discussion and voting.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:21 pm to
Easy to explain..

Exhibit A:

Neville High School

2002-2004 arse whipped by Curtis. Neville has a lot of pull in the public screwing Private entity called the LHSAA. Bye bye Curtis.

Exhibit B:

West Monroe Rebels.

Only reason they didnt stuff their trophy case more was because of Evangel. Evangel was not only better on the field, but also in recruiting and coaching.

Unfair. West Monroe has the $$$$ make them work for you. Neville gas $$$ and alums.

Funny considering that WM 2000 team was stocked FULL of "Transfers". It was the perfect example of pot calling kettle.

What is telling is since this split WM has gotten worse.

Meanwhile Neville benefitted tremendously. Everyone in Monroe/WM knows what caused the split. Your answer lues here in our neck of the woods.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60388 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:32 pm to
Yeah no. It started with Ruston who had to play Evangel in District. That lead to the “Play in your class” rule. The play in your class rule lead to Curtis DESTROYING Winnfield in the Dome. I believe Curtis was up 42-0 at the half. Few weeks later Winnfield spearheaded the split.

ETA: Neville’s re-emergance came with a fantastic coach in Mickey McCarty.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1282 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:43 pm to
You can get a variety of reasons on this board about why the split happened. You can also get a variety of reasons on why the private schools will not pull out and start their own association. I do not see the big deal with the split. It’s not like the vote did not allow private schools to play or deprive them of a chance to play for a championship. It is kind of like public opinion on Trump, you either love him or hate him. When it comes to the split, you either love it or hate it.
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