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Can somebody explain Goran Ivaniševic's 2nd serve strategy to me?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:13 am
Obviously huge serving was a important part of his game. But something I never understood was him going even harder on the second serve if he faulted on the first serve. Seems like the tennis equivalent of checkers or wreckers to me.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 1:49 pm
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:15 am to rickgrimes
How long has this been bothering you?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:15 am to rickgrimes
I don't think Goran had much of a strategy on the court. He was just confident in his serving ability.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:16 am to rickgrimes
Does anyone care enough to
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:16 am to IlikeyouBetty
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How long has this been bothering you?
For about 25-30 years now....
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:19 am to rickgrimes
*** Googles Goran Ivaniševic ***
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:23 am to rickgrimes
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Seems like the tennis equivalent of checkers or wreckers to me.
I imagine it was quite unorthodox...
In a sport that's prone to become monotonous, fricking with the other guy's mental can have big results. No one expects a bigger second serve
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:25 am to rickgrimes
That’s rough man. I don’t have anything else to add except I love his name and he was entertaining. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:34 am to rickgrimes
ANALytics. If he faulted the 1st serve then it was statistically probable he would not fault the second.
fwiw - I made that up I could care less about people hitting a ball over a net*
*unless it was women's beach volleyball.
fwiw - I made that up I could care less about people hitting a ball over a net*
*unless it was women's beach volleyball.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:35 am to rickgrimes
It’s a strategy players who have booming serves but don’t have great baseline games use. You lay a serve in there a lot slower than your first serve, you’re going to have win that point from the baseline. If the other player is a much better baseliner than you are, you’re going to lose the point. An elite server with a questionable baseline game will win a higher percentage of points with the two “first serve” strategy even with the increased risk of double faults.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:36 am to rickgrimes
Did he do it every time?
If not, it’s just like Michael Chang’s strategy to occasionally throw in super slow first serves and weird spin serves that had raw speeds that you would see in a middle school tournament.
Mess with your opponent’s expectations and positioning. This could even be worth losing a point outright if it messes with their headspace
Also, Chang thought he was one of the world’s best returners with amazing lateral quickness. Goran thought he was the world’s best server. Both were probably right or close enough.
So they had a lot of confidence in their abilities when trying something unorthodox.
If not, it’s just like Michael Chang’s strategy to occasionally throw in super slow first serves and weird spin serves that had raw speeds that you would see in a middle school tournament.
Mess with your opponent’s expectations and positioning. This could even be worth losing a point outright if it messes with their headspace
Also, Chang thought he was one of the world’s best returners with amazing lateral quickness. Goran thought he was the world’s best server. Both were probably right or close enough.
So they had a lot of confidence in their abilities when trying something unorthodox.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:37 am to rickgrimes
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Obviously huge serving was a part of his game. But something I never understood was him going even harder on the second serve if he faulted on the first serve. Seems like the tennis equivalent of checkers or wreckers to me.
Math.
He believed that the liklihood of his winning the point with an aggressive 2nd serve outweighed the potential that he missed.
Look at a game like Men's volleyball at higher levels (college, professional, national teams). Teams have figured out that serving really tough and miss a lot of serves because it increases their likelihood of winning the point.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:47 am to rickgrimes
As others have said, math.
Dont understand why more people dont do this honestly.
Dont understand why more people dont do this honestly.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:50 am to rickgrimes
Idk but one time I was on acid and watched Ivanisevic vs Korda. It was a very interesting match.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 11:52 am to Crow Pie
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If he faulted the 1st serve then it was statistically probable he would not fault the second
That's the exact opposite of what statistics say. The 1st serve has no bearing on the outcome of the 2nd
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:02 pm to KosmoCramer
In word-problem-world, absolutely. But these don’t seem like truly independent events.
Depending on the temperament of the player, I could see a missed first serve either rattling them or helping them calibrate for the second attempt. For a player committed to taking two bites at the apple and therefore relatively unfazed by a first-serve fault, they might be able to improve their accuracy on the second attempt. Would be interested to see stats for Ivanisevic
Depending on the temperament of the player, I could see a missed first serve either rattling them or helping them calibrate for the second attempt. For a player committed to taking two bites at the apple and therefore relatively unfazed by a first-serve fault, they might be able to improve their accuracy on the second attempt. Would be interested to see stats for Ivanisevic
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:17 pm to little billy
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Idk but one time I was on acid and watched Ivanisevic vs Korda. It was a very interesting match.
i imagine it was
Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:27 pm to rickgrimes
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Goran Ivaniševic
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:42 pm to rickgrimes
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 12:43 pm to rickgrimes
Goran Pandev TYFYS
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