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re: CA started this NIL BS. Now they want more
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:42 pm to GeauxHouston
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:42 pm to GeauxHouston
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I mean you trying to say the athletes don’t deserve that?
I don’t. Not while you’re getting a free university level education, have unlimited access to state of the art facilities, and treated like gods wherever they go.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:46 pm to tigernnola
Ya I figured something like this would be the beginning of the end of NIL the way it’s been done thus far. It’ll go back to under the table pay to play once stuff like this passes.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:48 pm to jbird7
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I don’t. Not while you’re getting a free university level education, have unlimited access to state of the art facilities, and treated like gods wherever they go.
California will probably start taxing scholarships.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:53 pm to GeauxHouston
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This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:55 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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Whole lot of young Black males are about to get introduced to equality in California and they are probably not going to like it as much as they have been told they would by white liberal elite..
Wait, what? Do y’all even know how young kids/adults are making money nowadays? It’s totally different from when I’m grew up.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:01 pm to tigernnola
Tiger Rant - Where unregulated Capitalism to the extreme is Communism if you and yours can't personally profit from it.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:01 pm to LSU-DUDE
Typical ignorant liberal. No idea how the “Free Market” works & always wanting to dictate how to spend other peoples $$$.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:28 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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am so tired of this naive, moronic drivel. The players don't generate any revenue.
The players play the game.
The program would not be what it is without them on the field. They take the hits, and put in the work to be successful. It’s entertainment for the fans.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 7:30 pm to tigernnola
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it would create a revenue-sharing arrangement between athletic departments at California universities and the athletes in their money-making sports.
This is how it should have been from the start. Way better than NIL and easily regulated.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 8:18 pm to skullhawk
NFL Players receive 48% of the revenue in any 17-game NFL season.
Collective bargaining agreement. The real question is if you create a path for a collective bargaining agreement, you have to establish a players association. You then will have labor laws and a players union. You would have established minimum salaries for all players. It would have a path to create a semi-pro league where salaries, salary caps, etc would all apply.
My guess is we end up with some larger more profitable conferences taking this path like the SEC, PAC12, BIG10 with club teams that are associated with the school while smaller conferences probably stay more traditionally setup as teams within the academic institutions.
Collective bargaining agreement. The real question is if you create a path for a collective bargaining agreement, you have to establish a players association. You then will have labor laws and a players union. You would have established minimum salaries for all players. It would have a path to create a semi-pro league where salaries, salary caps, etc would all apply.
My guess is we end up with some larger more profitable conferences taking this path like the SEC, PAC12, BIG10 with club teams that are associated with the school while smaller conferences probably stay more traditionally setup as teams within the academic institutions.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 8:43 pm to RightWingTiger
Let me guess you have all the answers Lol if you don't like the way college football is ran stick with your Nascar you don't have to watch or follow we wont miss you and the players will still be getting paid.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 8:51 pm to LSU-DUDE
Meh. Kids going to any school in CA better know the tax structure.....especially the “millionaire tax”. Cali schools are gonna have to pay 2 times the going rate to get commits to be on equal footing
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:38 pm to smash williams
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Wait, what? Do y’all even know how young kids/adults are making money nowadays? It’s totally different from when I’m grew up.
This is just the next step. I know they are eventually going to start taking more money away from profit generating sports, which are dominated by black males, and giving it to non-profitable sports, which are primarily white female sports. Paying players from sports that generate revenue, such as football and men’s basketball is going to be challenged as a violation or Title IX. Then, to rectify that, they are just going to make it equitable for all sports by chopping the pot.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:54 pm to mdomingue
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I'm pretty sure Florida had the first NIL state laws.
California was the first state to pass an NIL law (the “Fair Pay to Play Act”). The California bill was passed in 2019, but wasn’t set to go into effect until 2023. The idea, presumably, was to give the NCAA time to adapt.
After the California bill passed, other states started debating and passing NIL legislature as well. Some of those state laws had effective dates sooner than the California law. In 2020, Florida passed a bill that was set to go into effect July 1, 2021. That was the earliest effective date of any state law at the time.
After that, the other states (including California) started changing their effective dates to match Florida. I guess nobody wanted to be last.
So basically California started the trend, then Florida accelerated it.
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The thing that made NIL inevitable was the Supreme Court Ruling.
Not really. The Alston decision has been made out to be a much bigger factor in today’s NIL situation than it actually was.
The NCAA had two choices: either develop a policy that allows schools to comply with state NIL laws, or force schools to choose between state law and the NCAA. Forcing the schools to choose would inevitably have led to universities leaving the NCAA, which very well could have destroyed it completely.
So the NCAA tried to come up with a policy. They had a draft policy in late 2020/early 2021, and the DOJ sent them a letter basically telling them that their draft NIL policy would put them in the crosshairs for antitrust enforcement. So the NCAA had to scrap that draft.
Then they dicked around for 6 months trying to lobby Congress to pass federal NIL legislation that would protect the NCAA from antitrust enforcement. There was some commentary from lawmakers on the topic, but it never got to a vote.
By that point the NCAA had, quite simply, run out of time with the first batch of state-level NIL laws set to go into effect July 1, 2021. The NCAA announced their “interim” NIL policy (which still applies to this day) on June 30, 2021 - the day before shite would have hit the fan.
The Alston SCOTUS decision was just lagniappe and didn’t directly address NIL. Kavanaugh fired a shot across the NCAA’s bow with his concurring opinion, but that didn’t force their hand in the same way that the state laws did.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:21 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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I know they are eventually going to start taking more money away from profit generating sports, which are dominated by black males, and giving it to non-profitable sports, which are primarily white female sports.
Quite literally this is how athletic departments operate today.
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Paying players from sports that generate revenue, such as football and men’s basketball is going to be challenged as a violation or Title IX. Then, to rectify that, they are just going to make it equitable for all sports by chopping the pot.
Title IX applies to the universities and in this regard the athletic opportunities and benefits offered as a student athlete. If the football players were to receive a salary from the athletic department they'd no longer be student athletes and title IX wouldn't apply.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 7:13 am to tigernnola
So the State Schools in CA want to take a percentage of the players/employees money? That’s BS. The NIL employer now has to employ and tax the school as well?
That’s the case and I’m the NIL employer, I would need to make sure my employee’s were always doing things with my best interest in mind. What a mess.
Hey, we should have some politically controversial groups do some NILs with CA players and also employ/pay their respective schools. That would go over well.
That’s the case and I’m the NIL employer, I would need to make sure my employee’s were always doing things with my best interest in mind. What a mess.
Hey, we should have some politically controversial groups do some NILs with CA players and also employ/pay their respective schools. That would go over well.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 7:15 am to tigernnola
They don't think. It's all emotion. Typical Liberal BS, make a law and when it does not work, more big government. In the process, it cost more tax dollars and shrinks the economy.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 7:18 am to tigernnola
You realize that many Liberals hate college football.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 9:48 am to tigernnola
I chuckle that they throw a race and gender equity name on the bill. I would guesstimate that 70% of the personnel receiving NIL deals in California are black males
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