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re: Basketball fans who don't like the NBA
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:36 am to Suntiger
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:36 am to Suntiger
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But that's it, in the NFL 80% of the teams have a chance of winning the championship. In the NBA, 20% of the teams (if that) have a chance. That makes the regular season and first few rounds of the playoffs boring.
This is a huge reason. I grew up rooting for the Bullets, now Wizards. They have literally never had a team capable of winning since 1980. It gets old.
But worse, there is no league more prone to dynasties than the NBA, mainly because you need so few players. Upsets in the playoffs are rare, so much so that the first round is a waste of time. There's just a very small number of teams who can legitimately dream of winning a title each season.
Also, the isolation game sucks. It just sucks to watch as it reduces the game to a one on one matchup with the other eight players reduced to witnesses. It's just not interesting to me at all.
But the glut of freshmen bolting to the NBA has just tanked the quality of play. the problem is not the star players. I have no problem with Anthony Davis getting to the pros as quickly as possible, it is with the role players who have never learned to be role players. Everyone thinks they are the star. The league's middle class is pretty thin, which only feeds the isolation game.
Finally, the court is too small. Players are much bigger and there's just no space. We're going back to 1960s clog the lane style ball. Open it up.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:39 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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i'm a fan of the nba, but i understand this. i think it has a lot to do with the how all the players are BFFs, it makes it less intense/chippy. sometimes you'll get a boston-miami game that's great to watch because those guys don't like each other and play very hard. just my theory.
Makes sense to me.
I also don't get the race argument. Not when a good majority of the college basketball that anyone's watching is pretty diverse and certainly not lily white.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:44 am to BluegrassBelle
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It's 5 one on one games.
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Why do they suddenly start playing defense in the playoffs?
These two arguments kill me. They bear no relation to the actual basketball played on an NBA court.
Scoring drops in the playoffs because the officiating changes. If the regular season was officiated the same way the playoffs are, scoring would plummet and the watchability of the product would dive back to where it was in the early 2000s.
It's not 2003 in the league, people. This isn't the Vince Carter/Steve Francis era. The product has never been better,
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:44 am to StraightCashHomey21
For me, I don't watch NBA for many of the reasons listed above, but I'll add to it:
1) Stars get the calls, as does the home team. In an effort to sell personalities/stars vs. the basketball product, David Stern made a calculated marketing move. When a fan pays $100 a ticket, he wants to see his team win and his team's best player score 30 points. Stern has helped make this happen more often than not.
On the flip side, can you imagine if the home team got more calls in the NFL? Can you imagine a team repeatedly jumping offsides but the home team wasn't penalized?
ETA: I realize the NFL has made their game more fan-friendly by not letting defenses actually play or tackle the QB (thereby raising the overall offensive point totals and making the game "more exciting"), but at least the rules are enforced uniformly whether home or away.
2) The hip-hop culture. Yes, the majority of NFL and college basketball players are black too, but the NBA has made a concerted effort to embrace a culture that turns many middle class, older whites off. From the music played in the arenas to the baggy shorts to the head-to-toe tattoos (not easily seen on NFL players due to the uniform), a lot of white Americans over 35 just don't identify with the product the NBA is selling.
3) Refusal to interpret the rules correctly. If the rules say you get two steps to the basket, then you get two steps. Why does the NBA break the rules of their own game? Oh yeah, so the players can make more highlight reel dunks by not having to worry about pesky things like actually dribbling the ball from the 3 point line to the goal. Same thing for palming the ball. Ever notice any time an NBA player actually does get called for travelling, he looks like he's been wrongfully accused of murder? Because even he can't believe the rule was enforced.
1) Stars get the calls, as does the home team. In an effort to sell personalities/stars vs. the basketball product, David Stern made a calculated marketing move. When a fan pays $100 a ticket, he wants to see his team win and his team's best player score 30 points. Stern has helped make this happen more often than not.
On the flip side, can you imagine if the home team got more calls in the NFL? Can you imagine a team repeatedly jumping offsides but the home team wasn't penalized?
ETA: I realize the NFL has made their game more fan-friendly by not letting defenses actually play or tackle the QB (thereby raising the overall offensive point totals and making the game "more exciting"), but at least the rules are enforced uniformly whether home or away.
2) The hip-hop culture. Yes, the majority of NFL and college basketball players are black too, but the NBA has made a concerted effort to embrace a culture that turns many middle class, older whites off. From the music played in the arenas to the baggy shorts to the head-to-toe tattoos (not easily seen on NFL players due to the uniform), a lot of white Americans over 35 just don't identify with the product the NBA is selling.
3) Refusal to interpret the rules correctly. If the rules say you get two steps to the basket, then you get two steps. Why does the NBA break the rules of their own game? Oh yeah, so the players can make more highlight reel dunks by not having to worry about pesky things like actually dribbling the ball from the 3 point line to the goal. Same thing for palming the ball. Ever notice any time an NBA player actually does get called for travelling, he looks like he's been wrongfully accused of murder? Because even he can't believe the rule was enforced.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:55 am to Tigerfan56
Shorten the season. I love playoff basketball but find most in-season games to be lacking. There are the occasional great match ups and memorable contests, but the effort and level of play always seems to be significantly upgraded come playoff time. Make regular season games more important by eliminating the 82 game season.
I loved the start of the season on Christmas Day last year. I'd enjoy that going forward without trying to cram in as many games as they did last season.
Of course, I'd guess that eliminating games is off the table as it would cost owners too much money. So, I will likely ignore the majority of the regular season and tune in once the playoffs roll around.
I loved the start of the season on Christmas Day last year. I'd enjoy that going forward without trying to cram in as many games as they did last season.
Of course, I'd guess that eliminating games is off the table as it would cost owners too much money. So, I will likely ignore the majority of the regular season and tune in once the playoffs roll around.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:23 am to ClientNumber9
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to the head-to-toe tattoos
The NBA really can't stop that. They not going to make a rule that says if you have tattoos you can play in the league. Or if you get more tattoos while your in the league you will get banned...
Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:31 am to 805tiger
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to the head-to-toe tattoos
The NBA really can't stop that.
I get that. I'm just saying this is another aspect of the hip-hop culture that turns off older, middle class white Americans.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:40 am to SCTmo
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I love playoff basketball but find most in-season games to be lacking. There are the occasional great match ups and memorable contests, but the effort and level of play always seems to be significantly upgraded come playoff time. Make regular season games more important by eliminating the 82 game season.
Yeah, I watch a few regular season games just to keep up and I really don't start paying real attention until the second round. Even the first round is just an extension of the endless regular season.
Hockey also has an endless regular season, but their 7/8 seeds actually are a threat to win the title every year. So the playoff chase is worth paying attention to. Of course, I doubt we'll ever see a hockey game again.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:00 pm to ClientNumber9
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In an effort to sell personalities/stars vs. the basketball product, David Stern made a calculated marketing move. When a fan pays $100 a ticket, he wants to see his team win and his team's best player score 30 points. Stern has helped make this happen more often than not.
L O fricking L
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On the flip side, can you imagine if the home team got more calls in the NFL?
I can imagine it. The NFL would be exactly the same because the home team does get more calls, according to exhaustive research well documented in Scorecasting.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:01 pm to USMC Gators
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thugs
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Edit: And no, race does not play a "huge" issue.
Does not compute. You cannot call the NBA players thugs, and then claim that race is not a factor.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:05 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
The NFL has more or the same amount of thugs the NBA has, but they get excused because football is violent by nature.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:11 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I completely agree with someone being turned off of the NBA bc of the regular season. It is pointless and uninteresting in just about every facet.
The playoffs on the other hand are a completely different story. Last years playoffs were incredible on so many levels. The BOS/MIA series was ridiculous.
The playoffs on the other hand are a completely different story. Last years playoffs were incredible on so many levels. The BOS/MIA series was ridiculous.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:12 pm to Tigerfan56
The NBA bores me. College is way more interesting.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:13 pm to bddwolfpack
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No defense
No hustle until playoffs
Regular season is a glorified pre-season (any team worth a damn makes playoffs)
Almost all blacks
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Tickets are absurdly over priced
Season too long (time period)
Atmosphere doesn't compare to college
Players are "thugs"
Playoffs seem to last two months
What I miss?
you pretty much got all of them, but I will add:
24 sec shot clock
way too much of a 1v1 game
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:17 pm to Carson123987
I prefer high school basketball as I coach an AAU team and spend a lot of time watching high school basketball and recruiting players.
I also enjoy college basketball because that's where some of my players end up.
I do not enjoy the NBA although I do watch them during the Olympics.
I also enjoy college basketball because that's where some of my players end up.
I do not enjoy the NBA although I do watch them during the Olympics.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 2:30 pm to Tigerfan56
I don't hate the NBA just prefer college.I hate the 24 second shot clock it takes away the ability to run plays.How often do you see plays get run in the NBA ,not often.The NBA wants to be uptempo with dunks and defense 3 seconds in the lane helps it.Very few coaches actually coach, most our just cheerleaders.I just like college more because it reminds me of how I was taught to play basketball at an earlier age.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 2:56 pm to Ostrich
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I like the NBA. College basketball is too sloppy to watch in my opinion.
motha frickin this
Posted on 12/7/12 at 2:57 pm to rebel of fortune
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.I hate the 24 second shot clock it takes away the ability to run plays.
The shot clock in College is the only form of basketball that uses it.International competition uses the same 24 second clock.
College basketball is the problem-it's outdated product.
Aside from the shot clock let me rebuff a few arguments
Baloo- spacing the NBA is more prevalent than ever. Much more than college ball.College ball has shorter 3pt line and narrower lane- causing for a more clogged game than you think.
rebel of fortune- the NBA has plays all the time, ALL THE TIME, but often the untrained eye doesn't see it, secondly because Americans are used to one decision while watching sports you forget that in basketball-everyone is a decision maker. It's a read and react, improv. There are plenty of great coaches, most fans don't understand defense in the NBA either "just guard your man".
How you were taught at an earlier age is not the same as being coached on an elite level by professionals.
Now on to college-their biggest problem is that they refuse to due the necessary steps to make their product better. If it wishes to continue to get the best players, CBB must accept it's place as a developmental league. If college is to train people to be professionals, then CBB should do the same
-As mentioned first-the shot clock, basketball should be played at one pace, universally.
-Back court clock-pace
-Widen the lane-by doing this there is less clogging near the middle, due to three seconds being called-more spacing.
-3pt shot- again, about the NBA line or at least the FIBA line.
-handchecking
Now the NBA and NCAA both should eliminate "offensive goaltending"
Posted on 12/7/12 at 3:02 pm to RonBurgundy
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don't like basketball, just use this as a way to hate the NBA
I like basketball, but I don't like watching the NBA. I will sit down and watch a no-name college basketball game, but I can't sit through a whole NBA game.
The skill difference is obviously night and day, but the NBA games (at least during the regular season) have no intensity whatsoever. I'm not going to say all regular season college basketball games are intense, but when I flip on a top NBA matchup, there is absolutely no comparison to watching a top 25 college matchup.
And although somehow no NBA fan will acknowledge it, the general effort just doesn't seem to be equal from college to the NBA. Which also plays into my intensity argument.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 3:03 pm
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