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Backpicks' Ben Taylor’s 10 greatest NBA player peaks since 1977
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:53 pm
Very interesting list outside of the obvious top two.
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10. Magic Johnson (1987-1989)- One of the three best decision makers in league history and an underrated scorer who greatly ramped up his volume scoring in the postseason. Downside is his defense. He often guarded bigger,lesser skilled players. He also wasn't much of a paint presence defensively despite his size.
9. Tim Duncan (2001-2003)- Alongside quality teammates, Duncan made the Spurs a title contender every year he was healthy during his prime. His advanced metrics in the playoffs were even better than Magic's.
8. Kevin Garnett (2002-2004)- Duncan was the better scorer but Garnett was clearly the better passer which gives him a playmaking edge. Garnett's scoring against elite defenses was just as good as Duncan but Duncan dominated weaker defenses in a way Garnett never did. Garnett has the best defensive awareness of any player (that Taylor) has ever studied in a considerable sample. That gives him a small defensive edge over Duncan. Taylor ultimately values Garnett's passing and outside shooting over Duncan's isolation scoring.
7. Stephen Curry (2016-2018)- From 2016-2019, the Warriors outscored playoff opponents by 10 points/48 minutes with Curry on the court. That was a 15 point improvement from when Curry sat in those games.
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1977-1979)- His crazy scoring powered most of his value. It was almost impossible to take away his individual scoring but he doesn't have the playmaking to crack the inner circle of modern offensive legends. While he was an incredible post anchor, he doesn't have the three or four best peaks since the merger.
5. Larry Bird (1986-1988)- Bird's incredible passing, movement, shooting, split second decision making, and propensity for finding teammates for open layups made him an all-time great playmaker. That spacing and movement isn't easily detectable in a stat sheet but they do help the team's offense perform at amazing levels. On defense, he was a playmaker with great hands and some rim protection and was often early in paint rotations. He was limited as a perimeter defender but that's still a good positive package which is essentially the difference between him and Magic.
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1993-1995)- The best of the two-way big men and a solid offensive centerpiece with the right offensive talent around him but somewhat limited by his playmaking which prevents him from cracking the top two.
3. Shaquille O'Neal (2000-2002)- Shaq's off-ball presence constantly working for dangerous paint catches allowed him to fit next to perimeter stars without monopolizing the ball. He was also a solid passer so he can hit those shooters and cutters too. Ironically, his defense prevents him from having a top two peak. Even though Shaq has success as a rim protector, his lack of mobility and engagement clearly limited his defensive punch relative to his size. In a number of playoff series over the years, teams successfully attacked Shaq in the pick and roll and stretch big men could give him problems as well.
2. LeBron James (2012-2014)- He's one of the three best decision makers of the three-point era. When you take away his scoring, he punishes you with playmaking. Peak LeBron was a better defender than MJ. His two-way impact makes him the greatest floor raiser ever.
1. Michael Jordan (1989-1991)- His relentless pressure turned MJ into one of history's greatest playmakers. His shot creation estimates are higher than LeBron's were at his three best Miami seasons even when Wade went to the bench. Ultimately, team construction makes a big difference when choosing between Jordan and LeBron's peaks. LeBronball works with 3-and-D rosters and stretch big men but it's also a slower, more tactical approach that doesn't fit as well next to other ball dominant players. Jordan's (playing style) fits on more teams while LeBron really has to be the engine with spacers around him to exert that mega value.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:48 pm to TheWalrus
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No Kobe is absurd
There’s an argument to be made that he was never the best player in the NBA for any season
Posted on 4/10/21 at 12:38 am to Epic Cajun
The 3 behind Lebron should all be in front of him. I'd argue that Garnett and Giannis's last 3 seasons do as well.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 12:43 am to Epic Cajun
Kobe 2004-2006 was arguably best player in the league.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 1:03 am to Bench McElroy
I notice the best decision maker of all time, John Stockton, didn't make the list. And Shaq a better passer than Kareem?
Posted on 4/10/21 at 1:51 am to Bench McElroy
Not on the list:
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Isiah Thomas
Patrick Ewing
Charles Barkley
David Robinson
Karl Malone
Kobe Bryant
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Isiah Thomas
Patrick Ewing
Charles Barkley
David Robinson
Karl Malone
Kobe Bryant
Posted on 4/10/21 at 2:00 am to Bench McElroy
It is clear by the comments that a lot of people didn't watch the video and also don't understand the premise/criteria for the list.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 2:50 am to Obtuse1
Criteria...
In his first year, Bird won rookie of the year, increased the Celtics win total from the previous year by 32 games and finished 1st in the Eastern Conference.
In his first year, Bird won rookie of the year, increased the Celtics win total from the previous year by 32 games and finished 1st in the Eastern Conference.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 3:26 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Criteria...
In his first year, Bird won rookie of the year, increased the Celtics win total from the previous year by 32 games and finished 1st in the Eastern Conference.
First, if you had made it even a minute and ten seconds into the video you should realize your argument as written would not even be eligible for consideration for the list.
Second, are you actually arguing Bird's rookie year was his peak in the league?
Posted on 4/10/21 at 8:48 am to Bench McElroy
You should look at the whole series he has. He has very detailed breakdowns on each of the players that are really interesting to watch.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 8:51 am to molsusports
quote:
Not on the list:
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Isiah Thomas
Patrick Ewing
Charles Barkley
David Robinson
Karl Malone
Kobe Bryant
I know the MSB irrationally hates him, but James Harden.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 8:59 am to molsusports
He is ranking playoff runs
Posted on 4/10/21 at 9:15 am to Bench McElroy
The guy clearly establishes that by playmaking, he means passing.
Lebron is a better passer and playmaker than MJ was.
Then he goes on to say MJ’s peak was better because he could fit on more teams then Lebron. While I don’t agree with that, or don’t think it’s at a level that should determine who had the greatest peak, it’s a silly af point to make.
Lebron is a better passer and playmaker than MJ was.
Then he goes on to say MJ’s peak was better because he could fit on more teams then Lebron. While I don’t agree with that, or don’t think it’s at a level that should determine who had the greatest peak, it’s a silly af point to make.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 9:30 am to Boomshockalocka
If he is ranking playoff runs, that only strengthens my comment about the 3 behind him being ahead of him. Shaq was unstoppable in that 3 Peat.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 9:42 am to ReauxlTide222
That is the main criteria he uses. Scalability he calls it. Could you put this player on any other team and they be just as good. and there’s no way to prove it. It his just his opinion as to who would fit on other teams. And it will be guys who are less ball dominant who would fit.
Like klayThompson would fit on any team. He is just a catch and shoot. But that doesn’t make him better than someone else bc his role is not to handle the ball.
Like klayThompson would fit on any team. He is just a catch and shoot. But that doesn’t make him better than someone else bc his role is not to handle the ball.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 10:43 am to Boomshockalocka
To the previous poster, its not just about the playoff. Half of the players on the list peak's exclude many of their championship seasons, including only Jordan's first.
Second, without doing the background I imagine Kobe and Harden would definitely be somewhere in the 11-15 range.
Second, without doing the background I imagine Kobe and Harden would definitely be somewhere in the 11-15 range.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 10:48 am to Bench McElroy
I don’t get the conclusion that peak LeBron was a better defender than peak MJ was, MJ’s among the all-time great 2-way players ever, peak LeBron was great too but better? Nope, I also don’t like Taylor ignoring 92-93 MJ’s true peak as a player.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 10:52 am to ThePTExperience1969
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I don’t get the conclusion that peak LeBron was a better defender than peak MJ was
I think there’s a case. MJ may have been a better perimeter defender but Lebron could guard 1-4 at an elite level. The versatility makes it interesting, it’s close imo.
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