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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:06 pm to Broski
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:06 pm to Broski
OD roster if we truly aren’t adding another piece. I have to think another OF is on the way but if not
Acuña RF
Harris CF
Riley 3B
Olson 1B
Murphy C
Albies 2B
d’Arnaud/Ozuna DH
Rosario/Luplow/Ozuna LF
Grissom SS
Fried
Strider
Wright
Morton
Soroka/Elder/Anderson
Iglesias
McHugh
Minter
Jimenez
Lee
Yates
Anderson
Chavez
Bench needs some work.
Rotation is elite and bullpen and lineup are extremely strong but could use 1 more piece each.
Acuña RF
Harris CF
Riley 3B
Olson 1B
Murphy C
Albies 2B
d’Arnaud/Ozuna DH
Rosario/Luplow/Ozuna LF
Grissom SS
Fried
Strider
Wright
Morton
Soroka/Elder/Anderson
Iglesias
McHugh
Minter
Jimenez
Lee
Yates
Anderson
Chavez
Bench needs some work.
Rotation is elite and bullpen and lineup are extremely strong but could use 1 more piece each.
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 1:51 am to volfan30
Correa to the Mets for 12yr/$315m per Heyman after the Giants deal fell through.
I mean... frick.
With the lux tax penalties, Mets are now approaching $1B spent this offseason. The Braves have spent $2.6m.
frick Liberty Media.
I mean... frick.
With the lux tax penalties, Mets are now approaching $1B spent this offseason. The Braves have spent $2.6m.
frick Liberty Media.
This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 2:08 am
Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:12 am to Broski
Posted on 12/21/22 at 5:46 am to volfan30
quote:
I have to think another OF is on the way
If you're looking for a big name or big time player, you probably shouldn't get your hopes up.
I still think Duvall ends up on the roster. Other guys available are guys like Tommy Pham and Wil Myers if that moves the needle. Conforto is a Boras client coming off elbow surgery so that isn't happening.
You think the Braves will trade for someone? Who is a realistic trade target when you have no trade assets left?
Posted on 12/21/22 at 6:21 am to Broski
Let me guess. Everybody still ok with this because of bad contracts in 10 years.
This is sad. Their window is getting smaller and smaller by the day.
Mets get the best FA SS…to play 3rd base.
But hey, AA has so much flexibility for a trade deadline pickup of some washed up left fielder.
This is sad. Their window is getting smaller and smaller by the day.
Mets get the best FA SS…to play 3rd base.
But hey, AA has so much flexibility for a trade deadline pickup of some washed up left fielder.
This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 6:26 am
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Posted on 12/21/22 at 6:43 am to Dale Murphy
This has been a depressing winter.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 6:43 am to volfan30
What do you think the chances of us trading Max are? At a certain point I wonder if AA gets tired of losing these guys for nothing. I could see him offering Max his best offer and if he refuses, he trades him.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 6:48 am to K9
IMO, that's something they'll seriously consider next winter.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 6:54 am to K9
No way Max is traded this winter. Agreed it could be on the table next winter.
Still would not be shocked if they dealt some combo of Grissom/Anderson/Elder/Shewmake for a LF or SS.
Still would not be shocked if they dealt some combo of Grissom/Anderson/Elder/Shewmake for a LF or SS.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:32 am to sorantable
Still not worried about the Mutts. All that money doesn’t guarantee shite.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:33 am to Broski
The tards in this thread questioning why people are complaining about holes in the lineup are missing the point, most rational thinkers believed we signed most of our core guys to these deals to improve the team elsewhere. Now it just seems like we did it to save money and don’t give AF about being the best team we could be while we are in a window.
We are going to be in the conversation for a long time, but idk if we will even be top 3 favorites for the WS going into in a given season again if even top 5 some years. But with the expanded playoffs that’s less of a big deal.
We are going to be in the conversation for a long time, but idk if we will even be top 3 favorites for the WS going into in a given season again if even top 5 some years. But with the expanded playoffs that’s less of a big deal.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:50 am to TrussvilleTide
quote:
idk if we will even be top 3 favorites for the WS going into in a given season again if even top 5 some years
If this off season is any indication, we'll barely be top 3 in the NL. The Mets, Philles, and Padres aren't slowing down on their spending any time soon. And the Dodgers will be making some huge splashes the next couple of years after a slow off season this year.
Devers, Machado, Ohtani, Darvish all FA next year.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:19 am to K9
With the lack of off season spending the Braves have done, it makes me think we are positioning ourselves to sign Max long term... which is going to be expensive.
THe only 2 things I can think are -
#1 The bulk of our roster is talented, fairly young and locked up for a number of years
#2 Braves are planning on getting a Fried extension done. Which will be expensive. Ace pitchers win (or at least give you a greater chance to win) in the post-season.
THe only 2 things I can think are -
#1 The bulk of our roster is talented, fairly young and locked up for a number of years
#2 Braves are planning on getting a Fried extension done. Which will be expensive. Ace pitchers win (or at least give you a greater chance to win) in the post-season.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:24 am to wheelz007
quote:
With the lack of off season spending the Braves have done, it makes me think we are positioning ourselves to sign Max long term... which is going to be expensive.
I don't think so. I think the Braves are already a top 5ish payroll team and viewed locking up their core guys as their free agent moves. It's not an exact science, but the Braves have Michael Harris locked up longer than the Yankees have Aaron Judge locked up.
AA has shown that he doesn't go big on older pitchers for multiple years, and Fried is going to get damn near $200M in free agency.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:31 am to TrussvilleTide
The extensions were not good for the luxury tax on the front end. It will allow us to exploit the system in a big way on the back end of many of these deals but we have added a TON of money in terms of luxury tax AAV with these extensions.
If the luxury tax wasn’t an issue like with Cohen that wouldn’t be an issue but based on the off-season so far it does seem luxury tax avoidance is key. The fact that we will be able to exploit the way the luxury tax is calculated will be huge in a couple years but it has really put us behind the 8 ball this year.
If the luxury tax wasn’t an issue like with Cohen that wouldn’t be an issue but based on the off-season so far it does seem luxury tax avoidance is key. The fact that we will be able to exploit the way the luxury tax is calculated will be huge in a couple years but it has really put us behind the 8 ball this year.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:35 am to LCLa
quote:
Still not worried about the Mutts. All that money doesn’t guarantee shite.
The old ‘death and taxes’ argument, I get it. The reality is that the Mets will have an All-Star lineup and pitching staff. They have thrown down the gauntlet in a way not seen before in MLB history. Everyone should be worried.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 10:10 am to wheelz007
quote:
it makes me think we are positioning ourselves to sign Max long term...
It’s more likely that Max will resign for peanuts or be traded. Just like Freddie. Just like Dansby. Just like any Braves player who wants to get paid market value. AA isn’t going to give it to you.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 10:11 am to wheelz007
quote:
#2 Braves are planning on getting a Fried extension done. Which will be expensive. Ace pitchers win (or at least give you a greater chance to win) in the post-season.
The AAV goes up the longer we wait. If they were going to do it, they would have done it before Strider and Harris IMO. Or at least they should have.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:19 am to TrussvilleTide
It's all just so very frustrating.
So many people in here are just assuming that we will still win the East because we've won it 4 straight years, but don't seem to realize how razor thin the margins were last year.
Like, we finished tied with the Mets and then got destroyed by the Phillies in the NLDS. Sure, the onus is on those two teams to get to the level we reached last year, but the onus is also on us to keep up in an arms races. Those two teams got significantly better this offseason, we've gotten worse.
So many people in here are just assuming that we will still win the East because we've won it 4 straight years, but don't seem to realize how razor thin the margins were last year.
Like, we finished tied with the Mets and then got destroyed by the Phillies in the NLDS. Sure, the onus is on those two teams to get to the level we reached last year, but the onus is also on us to keep up in an arms races. Those two teams got significantly better this offseason, we've gotten worse.
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:26 am to TrussvilleTide
quote:
The AAV goes up the longer we wait. If they were going to do it, they would have done it before Strider and Harris IMO. Or at least they should have.
There is just no indication that we will be signing Fried. Contract AAV's are going up across the board. What we turned out not wanting to sign Freddie for with that extra year, would've been a bargain, considering that Dansby got more per year than him. As a LHP that will still be relatively young and has been a Cy Young contender, Max is about to rake in a huge longterm deal, and there is just no reason at all right now to believe the Braves will even consider spending that kind of money. Hope I'm wrong, but a precedent has been set with this team.
The question will be what trade will we make to cover for the fact that we'll be letting Fried go. Not sure if, even in 2 years, we'll have the assets to swing an Olson or Murphy type deal.
This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 12:09 pm
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