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re: ATL Thread | 2023 offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:00 pm to lsusa
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:00 pm to lsusa
Where were our top starters? All I’m saying is Snitker had from the All Star break to October to get his team lined up and we got zilch from Fried/Morton. Strider could have easily complained of a shoulder but instead he put on his uniform and went to battle. He ain’t perfect but he showed heart. Fried and Morton showed they won’t show up when needed. October 2024 is a long way from October 2021.
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:05 pm to RunningJacket
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Where were our top starters? All I’m saying is Snitker had from the All Star break to October to get his team lined up and we got zilch from Fried/Morton. Strider could have easily complained of a shoulder but instead he put on his uniform and went to battle. He ain’t perfect but he showed heart. Fried and Morton showed they won’t show up when needed. October 2024 is a long way from October 2021.
Ehh, injuries to index fingers on their pitching hands are pretty debilitating for guys who are heavily dependent on breaking stuff. Charlie's in particular seemed like a freak thing. Max's recurring blister issues are a real problem that won't go away, and I would hesitate to sign him to a long term deal because of it.
Braves just signed Pierce Johnson to a 2/$14M deal. That's a great move.
If Milwaukee decides to blow it up, I'd love to see the Braves try and trade for Freddy Peralta. It would be expensive, but I think the Braves could lessen the cost significantly by taking Yelich's contract off their hands.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:05 pm to RunningJacket
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Fried and Morton showed they won’t show up when needed.
Let's see you pitch w/a blister there, tough guy.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:06 pm to VADawg
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Ehh, injuries to index fingers on their pitching hands are pretty debilitating for guys who are heavily dependent on breaking stuff. Charlie's in particular seemed like a freak thing. Max's blister issues are a real problem that won't go away.
Sadly, the poster you are responding to will ignore this.
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Braves just signed Pierce Johnson to a 2/$14M deal
Also has an option for '26.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:00 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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You couldn't be more wrong.
Please elaborate
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:19 pm to okietiger
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Please elaborate
Just in terms of sheer excitement and skill, the NHL tops all professional leagues.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:15 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Ha ha. Poor little Fried had months to get his boo boo handled. Isn’t he a professional? Isn’t pitching his craft and what leads to his millions? Yet, he didn’t handle his business to get ready for the playoffs. How embarrassing for his family that he essentially skipped a chance for a WS ring because he had a blister on his finger. I’m sure Scherzer, Mahomes, Smoltz, Carlton, Brady, Jordan, etc would bail out in the playoffs due to a blister.
As for Morton, he’s such a pro that he pitched all season with nothing on the line and then no shows when it matters. Soft.
As for Morton, he’s such a pro that he pitched all season with nothing on the line and then no shows when it matters. Soft.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:32 pm to RunningJacket
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boo boo
Are you 8?
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:45 pm to RunningJacket
Would you rather have seen Morton pitch and throw hanging curveballs all night because he couldn't grip the ball effectively? It would have been the same deal had Fried kept pitching through the end of the regular season and not let his blister heal. Also, had he continued to pitch with the blister and had it rip open during a game, he would have literally been forced to leave. Can't pitch with blood on your hand and also can't put a bandaid on it during a game.
Neither one of them is a particularly effective pitcher when they don't have their curveball working, especially Morton. He was physically unable to throw it.
Neither one of them is a particularly effective pitcher when they don't have their curveball working, especially Morton. He was physically unable to throw it.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:03 am to VADawg
Johnson is a nice start to the off season.
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:07 am to RunningJacket
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RunningJacket
Yikes.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:36 am to Broski
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At some point he's going to have make win-now moves at the deadline.
What do we have to give up thats going to be better than what another team could offer for a real needle moving player? The farm is gone. Those guys are in the majors now.
If this team is going to meaningfully improve, it will have to be through free agency. Which is why I don't think it will.
We've heard for 4 years now from the "liberty media doesn't constrain or control the team's finances" folks that we have all this money we are apparently just choosing not to use. Why? Its because people are buying beers and eating at the battery and filling up the park without LM bumping any extra cash into the coffers to go out and get someone.
If we do have more money than we have been allocating to the salary budget, AA is a moron. I don't think AA is a moron, and I bet very few serious people here do either. Even if its just expensive one year rentals, there are things he could do given more money. So the obvious answer is we don't have much more money (if any more) than the payroll amounts we've been using the past few years, and there is no incentive for LM to kick any extra in.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:18 am to VolSquatch
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there is no incentive for LM to kick any extra in
Incentive isn't the problem. It's against SEC (Securities & Exchange Commission, not the football conference) rules for them to kick any extra money in.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:17 am to VolSquatch
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What do we have to give up thats going to be better than what another team could offer for a real needle moving player? The farm is gone. Those guys are in the majors now.
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Ahead of Major League Baseball trading deadline on Tuesday, the Mets dealt Verlander to his former team, the Astros, for the outfield prospects Drew Gilbert and Ryan Clifford.
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The Mets also included another $35 million to the Astros in the Verlander move, and if Verlander secures the 2025 option — which triggers if he pitches 140 innings in 2024 and finishes the season healthy — the Mets will pay for half of that, too, according to the New York Post.
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Gilbert, 22, was the Astros’ first-round pick in 2022 from the University of Tennessee. He is hitting .274 with an .821 on-base plus slugging percentage between high Class A and Class AA this season. Clifford, 20, has hit .291 with a .919 O.P.S. at two Class A levels.
This is just meant as an example - obviously the Mets might not have wanted to trade within the division (which is a losers prerogative, shame on the Braves if that stopped a deal) and Verlander might have insisted on going to the Astros.
But in terms of prospect cost, I’d say that Grissom and AJSS would have been comparable value.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:20 am to lsusa
And AJSS very well might pitch in the playoffs for the next eight seasons.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 12:29 pm to 257WBY
I'd use AJSS as the headliner in a package to get an established, controllable starter, if possible. I wonder if Milwaukee would consider something like this?
Braves get:
Freddy Peralta
Christian Yelich
Brewers get:
AJSS
Grissom
Owen Murphy
Including Yelich is one way to bring the cost of this trade down. Peralta has three years of control left and is a really, really good, top of rotation type of pitcher.
Braves get:
Freddy Peralta
Christian Yelich
Brewers get:
AJSS
Grissom
Owen Murphy
Including Yelich is one way to bring the cost of this trade down. Peralta has three years of control left and is a really, really good, top of rotation type of pitcher.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:52 pm to VADawg
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It's against SEC (Securities & Exchange Commission, not the football conference) rules for them to kick any extra money in.
Wouldn't it only need disclosure if anything? It would simply change the allocation of capital and where free cash flow is used
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:55 pm to VADawg
Damn, that would be a sick trade. Brewers probably gonna want another arm id bet. Toss in Shuster maybe?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 2:06 pm to RunningJacket
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Ha ha. Poor little Fried had months to get his boo boo handled. Isn’t he a professional? Isn’t pitching his craft and what leads to his millions? Yet, he didn’t handle his business to get ready for the playoffs. How embarrassing for his family that he essentially skipped a chance for a WS ring because he had a blister on his finger. I’m sure Scherzer, Mahomes, Smoltz, Carlton, Brady, Jordan, etc would bail out in the playoffs due to a blister.
As for Morton, he’s such a pro that he pitched all season with nothing on the line and then no shows when it matters. Soft.
Cringiest thing I've seen on the internet today.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:41 pm to VADawg
I'd do that in a heartbeat.
I've always liked Peralta.
I've always liked Peralta.
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