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re: Arizona media criticize Marvin Harrison Jr. for being a disappointment
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:28 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:28 am to Bunk Moreland
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Well, if he ends up as a hall of famer, that is not so bad. I feel like you are overweighting blazing speed. Guys like Larry or Megatron are all-time greats, too.
Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 40. That's what made him so special on top of being huge and catching everything
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:03 am to H-Town Tiger
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This is a lazy and stupid take. MHJ is an elite prospect in his own right. Jerry Rice’s son was a 7th round pick.
Too many of you take it personally if your teams guy isn’t ranked higher and treat it like a zero sum game
I never said Harrison wasn’t an elite prospect. I simply said Thomas was better. The numbers this season suggest that is correct. Thomas had all the same measureables and stats as Harrison in college. Yet he was viewed as an afterthought relative to Harrison. Why? Because of who Harrison’s father is. That was the only differentiator between the two.
If Jacksonville would have been in Arizona’s spot in the draft they would have taken Harrison too. I bet they are glad now they weren’t because the nepotism factor would have prevented them from taking the better player
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:17 am to Bench McElroy
I’d take him on the Saints
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:27 am to jcaz
quote:I mean, if you’re on a bad team in the 2024 NFL, you can rack up a shite ton of receiving yards. Especially with a ton of volume.
Malik Nabers has 97 catches for almost 1000 yards and 4 TDs with a cast of bum QB’s. With MHJ at 51 catches for 726 yards and 7 TD’s and a “franchise” QB. Meanwhile BTJ in Jax is doing better than both of them lol
Nabors averages 12 targets per game which is 2 more than the next closest player
Thomas averages 7.5, fwiw.
MH averages 6.7.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 8:31 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:59 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Acting like he'll be solid but underwhelming and then comparing him to Larry Fitzgerald is quite the take
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:01 am to RandySavage
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Acting like he'll be solid but underwhelming and then comparing him to Larry Fitzgerald is quite the take
It’s play style. Jesus Christ, read what I wrote.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:09 am to catfish 62
I would give him at least into next season.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:18 am to Chalkywhite84
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Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 40. That's what made him so special on top of being huge and catching everything
That dude was one of one.
But did he underperform for his career? You cant really top Rice's numbers but megatron should have done a lot more, i think. Didnt he have Stafford most of his career? Does Kupp have better numbers?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 9:27 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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He’s a nice player, crisp routes, good hands, but he doesn’t have that break away playmaking ability that the absolute best in the league. I see him as a Larry Fitzgerald type. He’ll have a long career accumulate stats, but he’ll never be in the conversation for the best in the league
I read it.
Larry was always in conversation for the best in the league and to say he's a "nice player" without game breaking ability is hilarious.
You basically described Wes Welker and claimed it was Larry Fitzgerald.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:46 am to SirWinston
quote:and to that I say , playmakers make plays
He's a darling of the analytics community bc of his separation rate. They put a lot of the blame on Kyler and the fact that McBride is phenomenal and a much more attractive target for a tiny QB like Kyler (Trey is closer to Murray on like 85% of his dropbacks, meaning that a subpar passing QB like Kyler will target him exponentially more often). Most of the analytics guys swear that MHJ is a legit #1 and deserves better than this offense and this QB.
shite look at Terry McLaurin and who he had throwing to him before Jayden with his production.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:02 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:The 49ers got EXTREMELY lucky that Mr. Irrelevant turned into a decent quarterback, the Panthers had the worst management in football, and their cap situation aligned perfectly to go all in for two years. They are fricked now. They have 3 WR they can't pay, a quarterback they'll have to over pay, and a defense and offensive line filled with guys that will retire or age out of their contracts.
Is it? The 49ers blew multiple picks on Trey Lance and made the SB last year. I could probably sit here all day and find examples of team that blew top 5 picks and it didn’t cripple them.
quote:You don't take a flier at No. 4. You take a flier at no. 204. Also, an elite CB can 100% make or break a team. Like what? It's, at worst, the 4th most important position on the field. I'd argue 3rd. An elite CB in a man scheme deletes half the field in a league where passing is king. Drafting a guy that can do that over a guy that can't pass would seem like the better play, no?
Actually the goal is to win games and ultimately a Super Bowl. There is it 1 sure fire way to go about that. CB is a high value position but QB is more important so I understand taking a flyer on a high upside high bust potential guy and sorry I don’t think having a good CB will make or break either team.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:08 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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But did he underperform for his career? You cant really top Rice's numbers but megatron should have done a lot more, i think.
It only seems that way because Megatron retired two years early and Rice retired two years late
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:10 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:Johnson was the best WR in the league virtually his entire career and was double and triple teamed the entire time, and then he retied at 30. The Lions had no offensive line and his lower catch rate is because a good bit of their offense was "throw it up to Calvin."
But did he underperform for his career? You cant really top Rice's numbers but megatron should have done a lot more, i think.
quote:Kupp is 4k yards and 26 TD behind Johnson in 1 less season.
Does Kupp have better numbers?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:36 am to PP7 for heisman
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You don't take a flier at No. 4. You take a flier at no. 204.
I have yet to hear a good reason why not. All I get basically because
You guys think because you thought Ar sucked in college and he’s struggling so far in the NFL ( has he even played 16 games?) that you were right, but the mistake you make is assuming a guy is what he is at all points in his life/career, that coaching, development, scheme etc have no impact. Now there obviously has to be a base level of talent and maybe it’s just not there with AR as a passer and it was pure hubris by the Colts to think they could develop him. All I’m saying is I understand them taking that risk because if they cou have turned him into Jalen Hurts they would be infinitely better off than have Minshew/Flacco and whatever washed up QB they can get and a good CB. If next year AR shows no improvement they can move on to the next guy. It has not devastated the franchise clearly
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Also, an elite CB can 100% make or break a team
That must be why the Seahawks are a whole…checks notes…1 game better than the Colts right now and finished with the same record as them last year
and good chance they finish tied, Indy has the Giants and Jags left. Seattle the Bears and Rams. This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:42 am to PP7 for heisman
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The 49ers got EXTREMELY lucky that Mr. Irrelevant turned into a decent quarterback, the Panthers had the worst management in football, and their cap situation aligned perfectly to go all in for two years. They are fricked now. They have 3 WR they can't pay, a quarterback they'll have to over pay, and a defense and offensive line filled with guys that will retire or age out of their contracts.
They got to a SB and 2 NFCCG post Lance debacle so it doesn’t matter. The other moves to correct it just shows what a well run organization it is. I wouldn’t bet on them being bad for very long. Terrible injury luck this year as well.
ETA They also got to another SB and NFCCG with Jimmy G before the Lance trade.
I’m sure i could find other examples of teams that blew top 5-10 picks and turned out just fine so again I see no reason not to take a flyer on a QB with raw skills even if his chances of success are not that great
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:01 pm to Bench McElroy
Harrison wasn’t the best receiver on his college team. He should’ve never won the biletnikoff, and was propped up by name and Ohio state hype. LSU had 2 receivers better than him.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:15 pm to RandySavage
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Larry was always in conversation for the best in the league
He was never in the conversation for best in the league. Moss and Megatron were better than him every year he was in the league.
If he couldn’t do it for 17 seasons, which is insane and why he’s got the stats and accolades he has, he would be in the Hall of Very Very Good.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 12:20 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I see him as a Larry Fitzgerald type. He’ll have a long career accumulate stats, but he’ll never be in the conversation for the best in the league
What
Larry was 1A/B with Calvin or Randy for probably 6 years from 2008-2014 or so. Larry’s 2008 playoff run might be the best stretch of WR play we’ve ever seen. This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 1:58 pm to Fun Bunch
but still these are fine stats for a rookie WR
Not for the 4th pick in draft it’s not…..
Not for the 4th pick in draft it’s not…..
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:because it’s incredibly hard to win in the NFL and even moreso without a good quarterback, and even moreso without a quarterback on
have yet to hear a good reason why not. All I get basically because
His rookie deal. Ideally you do what the bengals and chiefs did and get there before paying your quarterback, so you can put the best talent around him.
The colts basically punted AR’s rookie contract despite having talent around him. He was never good at throwing the football. It was a bad pick.
In response to your Hurts comment, Hurts was INFINETLY better than AR in college, and he still wasn’t a great passer. That shows how bad AR was. He was a sub 55% competition guy as a junior, with a 17/9 TD/INT ratio in an offense Taylor made for him. That’s putrid.
In a vacuum sure they can “just replace AR” but they also have to pay everyone around him. Their elite guys like Taylor and Nelson are getting older. You can’t just pretend the rest of the roster doesn’t exist.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 2:36 pm
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