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re: Arizona media criticize Marvin Harrison Jr. for being a disappointment
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:51 pm to Boodis Man
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:51 pm to Boodis Man
quote:So he'll be a league-average WR1 and take 5 years to catch 15 career TDs and have a 1,000 yard season. That's not what you want with the #4 pick.
similar numbers to Jeudy back in his rookie year. i remember many were underwhelmed by him that year
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 1:54 pm
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:52 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Are you serious? The guy drafted the very next pick after Richardson made the pro bowl at CB in his rookie season and already is one of the best CB in the league
Yes I’m serious. The Seahawks had the same record as the Colts last year and also missed the playoffs. They are 1 game better at the moment. BFD.
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A: Draft terrible QB at 4, have to bench him for journeyman QB in year two, not upgrade any other position, and not make the playoffs
First of all you are assuming your assessment is always right. What do you say about Allen? Nix? It was definitely a gamble but he did play well at the start of last year before getting hurt and is now starting again because Flaaco is horrible and old.
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Option B: Draft Pro Bowl CB, play journeyman, wait another year with a stacked QB draft when there will be QB's worth a top 4 pick.
The problem with this option is a) Colts picked 15 (Seahawks 16) not top 4. And b)outside of Williams and maybe Maye how many QBs (Daniels wasn’t i doubt Penix was) were projected first rounders in April of 2023? Waiting is also a risk. I fail to see how the Colts are worse off. They would have had to trade up to get a 2024 QB seems more likely they would either be reach this year or waiting again. Why not take a flyer if you are just going to wait anyway?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:57 pm to Bench McElroy
Malik Nabers has 97 catches for almost 1000 yards and 4 TDs with a cast of bum QB’s.
With MHJ at 51 catches for 726 yards and 7 TD’s and a “franchise” QB.
Meanwhile BTJ in Jax is doing better than both of them lol
With MHJ at 51 catches for 726 yards and 7 TD’s and a “franchise” QB.
Meanwhile BTJ in Jax is doing better than both of them lol
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:05 pm to sorantable
Brian Thomas was the same size, had better speed, and had nearly identical stats…while being on the same team with an even better WR. The ONLY difference is Brian’s dad is not a HOF player. That’s it!
Thomas has significantly better numbers on a much worse team. Now, with Mac Jones throwing to him.
The evidence both Thomas and Nabers were better was ALWAYS there. The media and NFL GMs were simply blinded by nepotism
Thomas has significantly better numbers on a much worse team. Now, with Mac Jones throwing to him.
The evidence both Thomas and Nabers were better was ALWAYS there. The media and NFL GMs were simply blinded by nepotism
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:15 pm to KillerNut9
Nabers missed two games and gets targeted because he’s open.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:18 pm to Alt26
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The ONLY difference is Brian’s dad is not a HOF player. That’s it!
This is a lazy and stupid take. MHJ is an elite prospect in his own right. Jerry Rice’s son was a 7th round pick.
Too many of you take it personally if your teams guy isn’t ranked higher and treat it like a zero sum game.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Yes I’m serious. The Seahawks had the same record as the Colts last year and also missed the playoffs. They are 1 game better at the moment. BFD.
And they are much better at the CB position for years to come, while the Colts are worse at QB. It doesn't just effect your team for one year. Literally every team in all of football would take Devon Witherspoon over AR every day of the week and twice on Sunday. It actually is a BFD when you waste top 5 picks.
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First of all you are assuming your assessment is always right. What do you say about Allen? Nix?
Didn't really have a opinion on Allen because I never watched him play in college. Nix seemed like an appropriate spot given his production. I watched AR play college and he sucked. Talk to any Florida fan and even they'd tell you it as a dumb choice. Not surprisingly he sucks in the NFL.
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but he did play well at the start of last year before getting hurt and is now starting again because Flaaco is horrible and old.
He didn't play well. Even prior to this week when someone would try and make a "he's improved since the benching", that didn't hold water. He still had the worst QBR of any qualifying QB in that span. So he went from the worst, to still the worst after getting put back in for the horrible and old QB he was benched for. Not exactly great.
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I fail to see how the Colts are worse off.
The goal is to pick the best football players. They threw away a top 4 pick on a guy that is never going to be a good NFL QB. Next year is going to be the same old story. In years past AR would have been a 3rd or 4th round talent, but teams over draft/reach on QB's more than ever now and it sets you back.
I don't really care, I'm not a Colts fan, but it's just hilarious when teams do this with guys that clearly aren't good QB's. I'm not some guy that is die hard on draft picks and like to pretend I'm a college scout, but he was one of the few where I thought it was extremely obvious that he was going to be a bust. Have a buddy that's a Colts fan and I told him on draft night. Every week in our fantasy football chat he's texting about how he wants the dude gone asap.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:36 pm to Bench McElroy
Maybe he needs a better QB to throw him the ball?
Murray is averaging 220yds per game with 16tds and 9 Ints
Murray is averaging 220yds per game with 16tds and 9 Ints
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:41 pm to Gifman
Not all of us can be a Nabors or Thomas.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:45 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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Honestly should’ve taken Brock Bowers. He is about to break the rookie tight end record.
I hate UGAG but the first time I saw that kid I thought, "All Pro TE, HOF if he doesn't get hurt."
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:48 pm to YNWA
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Maybe he needs a better QB to throw him the ball?
Murray is averaging 220yds per game with 16tds and 9 Ints
What are Nabers, Thomas, and Bowers' qbs doing?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:15 pm to saintsfan22
ZING!!!!
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Malik Neighbors
Close.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:35 pm to catfish 62
His qb is kind of a joke too.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:39 pm to KillerNut9
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Nabers has 250 more yards and 3 less TDs.
Oh, and that’s on 54 more targets.
Of course he’s going to get more yards when he has 50% more targets than MHJ.
Is Nabers getting more targets because he gets open, catches the ball, and is efficient, or is he getting more targets because the Cardinals don’t actually like their generational WR and don’t work hard enough to game plan to get him the ball?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:53 pm to Bench McElroy
He played for Ohio State and had a famous father, Nabers had better numbers in 30 of 35 categories yet the media was kissing that O State arse. Not to mention Brian Thomas Jr. He and Nabers are 1 and 2 in NFL rookies.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:03 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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And they are much better at the CB position for years to come,
Maybe, will not make or break them.
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Literally every team in all of football would take Devon Witherspoon over AR every day of the week and twice on Sunday
Now or when that draft pick was made because unlike message board GMs like you NFL teams do not draft on 20/20 hindsight. ETA as far as you getting it right, if you were wrong would you give them credit?
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It actually is a BFD when you waste top 5 picks.
Is it? The 49ers blew multiple picks on Trey Lance and made the SB last year. I could probably sit here all day and find examples of team that blew top 5 picks and it didn’t cripple them.
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The goal is to pick the best football players.
Actually the goal is to win games and ultimately a Super Bowl. There is it 1 sure fire way to go about that. CB is a high value position but QB is more important so I understand taking a flyer on a high upside high bust potential guy and sorry I don’t think having a good CB will make or break either team.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:07 pm to Bench McElroy
He's a darling of the analytics community bc of his separation rate. They put a lot of the blame on Kyler and the fact that McBride is phenomenal and a much more attractive target for a tiny QB like Kyler (Trey is closer to Murray on like 85% of his dropbacks, meaning that a subpar passing QB like Kyler will target him exponentially more often).
Most of the analytics guys swear that MHJ is a legit #1 and deserves better than this offense and this QB.
Most of the analytics guys swear that MHJ is a legit #1 and deserves better than this offense and this QB.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:10 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Malik Neighbors is outclassing him catching passes from Daniel Jones and Tommy Devito
They look downfield. Kyler doesn't really
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