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re: Are the Hype Fire and Icons cheat bats for 11-14U?
Posted on 6/16/25 at 2:27 pm to JerryTheKingBawler
Posted on 6/16/25 at 2:27 pm to JerryTheKingBawler
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A $300 bat won’t fix a 2 cent swing.
My $550 driver concurs
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Posted on 6/16/25 at 2:33 pm to lsu777
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man for some reason i thought yours was going to 13u next year.
Well he skipped 12u ball. He was 12u age eligible this past year but we didnt hold him back in school so he wanted 2 years on bigger fields. He did great for a kid who hasnt hit puberty yet. Lol.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 2:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
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90% of kids can't swing a drop 5 when they are 11 years old. Maybe they should be swinging it off of a tee, but even practicing off of live pitching would be pointless as that bat would be too heavy for the vast majority of 11 year olds and would alter there swing mechanics.
I would agree most of them should be swinging a drop 8.
i agree. Im not talking about the 90% of kids who wont play HS ball. im talking about kids that will play HS ball. and most kids that age can swing it, but it takes time. and if they are lifting like i mentioned and doing things like camwood or provelocity bat or the driveline trainers....they are prepared for that.
but 12u should be swinging drop 8 minimum though because at 13u they should be swinging drop 5 so they are ready for drop 3 at 14u.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 2:50 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Well he skipped 12u ball. He was 12u age eligible this past year but we didnt hold him back in school so he wanted 2 years on bigger fields. He did great for a kid who hasnt hit puberty yet. Lol.
ok was wondering. i was confused lol. we practice only on the 54/80 field and usually do a controlled scrimmage vs our 13u majors most weeks once or twice.
even 54/80 is a big deal for those not ready. 60/90 is like another world for those that are not prepared. They realize real quick that they should have been training throwing velocity and bat speed if they ever want to see the field very very quickly.
we have 2 tournaments left. just wish PGI wasnt so late.
This post was edited on 6/16/25 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/16/25 at 2:57 pm to lsu777
Aren't your sons young? I have one that just graduated and daughter who plays fastpich and is a junior. A lot of really good 18 year olds were also really good at 12 as you said. But a lot that were really good at 12 dont play anymore or they still do and they are average. It's not exactly controversial.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 3:00 pm to RoscoeHarper
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Aren't your sons young? I have one that just graduated and daughter who plays fastpich and is a junior. A lot of really good 18 year olds were also really good at 12 as you said. But a lot that were really good at 12 dont play anymore or they still do and they are average. It's not exactly controversial.
they are younger but i have one headed to HS. but not the point, im around a couple of the schools that are known for baseball....the kids that are studs and getting D1 offers...they were studs at 11/12 too.
and i didnt say it was controversial...i just said for the most part its not true. Are there some exceptions...sure but for the most part...the best 11/12/13/14u kids are still the best when they get to HS.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 3:46 pm to lsu777
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54/80
We played 54/80 all season then went to Myrtle Beach last week and didnt realize until the first game it was 60/90. Makes a huge difference but we adjusted quickly. Kids who cant move get exposed quickly
Posted on 6/16/25 at 3:48 pm to Tiger Ryno
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We played 54/80 all season then went to Myrtle Beach last week and didnt realize until the first game it was 60/90. Makes a huge difference but we adjusted quickly. Kids who cant move get exposed quickly
yep, I tell people all the time the big field is coming like a freight train....either you are prepared or you will get run the frick over and be out of baseball before HS.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 6:15 pm to lsu777
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just said for the most part its not true
There are going to be more than you think. And that doesn't necessarily mean quit altogether, although some do, there are a good number of players who were absolute studs at 12 that are JAGs at 18. And my son played at an elite baseball school in Oklahoma (won the 6A title this year).
I'm not arguing an elite 18 year old player wasnt elite at 12. The vast majority were.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 8:54 pm to RoscoeHarper
My 6th grader (11) in middle school had to use a BBCOR bat. He could barely swing it under those rules. His numbers in monitored batting cage is USSSA -10 (67 evo) USA -10 (61 evo) and BBCoR (55)
My 8th grade son swings fire -5 and bbcor hype (pre-Fire) he fits 92 evo with USSSA fire and 78 with BBCor.
Rules are all over the place. Middle school ball was the most cruel. I had to locate a 29” bbcor for an 11 year old but then he was crowding plate and getting nailed by 14 year old pitchers in the back.
My 8th grade son swings fire -5 and bbcor hype (pre-Fire) he fits 92 evo with USSSA fire and 78 with BBCor.
Rules are all over the place. Middle school ball was the most cruel. I had to locate a 29” bbcor for an 11 year old but then he was crowding plate and getting nailed by 14 year old pitchers in the back.
Posted on 6/16/25 at 9:48 pm to lsu777
I'm just messing with you guys that participate. I've got no real opinions on bats other than wishing I could still bat left-handed, after hitting a HR right handed like I did in Pony League! I wasn't good enough for college, but played American Legion Ball my sophomore year of college.
Tell the kids to play as long as they can.
Tell the kids to play as long as they can.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 6:26 am to lsu777
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Im not talking about the 90% of kids who wont play HS ball. im talking about kids that will play HS ball.
No you're talking about the kids that have already started puberty and are big enough to swing a drop 5 at 11. Just b/c they hit puberty before everyone else doesn't make them "kids who will play HS ball". It simply makes them bigger than everyone else when they are 11.
There are plenty of 11 year olds who you can tell are going to be kids who can play high school baseball that absolutely cannot swing a drop 5.
Your swing mechanics are more important to a kids development than swinging a heavier bat so you can hit more homeruns when you're 11 while striking out a lot more b/c you have no bat speed and aren't able to hit cutters and changeups and curves that are about to start being thrown at you b/c your hands are too slow to let the ball travel to adjust to the offspeed pitches b/c all you're doing is trying to hit the ball out in front with the heavier bat and longer swing that is needed to swing that heavier bat.
a 4'8" 80lb kid can swing all the camwood bats he wants, do all the pushups and pullups he wants. he doesn't have the physical structure to swing a drop 5 bat for contact with a quick compact swing. Sure he might be able to practice enough to adjust to it and have that longer swing and hit some shots to left field, but that's not how i want a kid learning how to swing when he's 11, imo. Just b/c he hasn't hit puberty yet doesn't mean he's not going to play HS ball.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 7:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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No you're talking about the kids that have already started puberty and are big enough to swing a drop 5 at 11
nobody said swing a drop 5 at 11, i said 12. Should you train with a drop 5 to train bat speed at 11...yea. If you dont believe that then you dont know shite about training for bat speed output.
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Just b/c they hit puberty before everyone else doesn't make them "kids who will play HS ball". It simply makes them bigger than everyone else when they are 11.
again im not talking about puberty kids. but kids pre-puberty can certainly train and swing heavier bats. Dont believe me then go see what driveline, camwood, longworth, outfront hitting etc are doing.
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Your swing mechanics are more important to a kids development than swinging a heavier bat so you can hit more homeruns when you're 11 while striking out a lot more b/c you have no bat speed and aren't able to hit cutters and changeups and curves that are about to start being thrown at you b/c your hands are too slow to let the ball travel to adjust to the offspeed pitches b/c all you're doing is trying to hit the ball out in front with the heavier bat and longer swing that is needed to swing that heavier bat.
ok i dont think you understand
1) i said 11 year old should swing a drop 8 or 10 in game and use a drop 5 or one of the training bats to specifically train bat speed.
2) nobody said disregard mechanics, you are just making shite up and of course you should swing a drop that is appropriate for your size in game.....that doesnt mean you shouldnt be training to get stronger and develop more bat speed in the process.
its like you didnt read a single thing i wrote...yet want to get on here an argue
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a 4'8" 80lb kid can swing all the camwood bats he wants, do all the pushups and pullups he wants
if he is 11 and only weighs 80 lbs then the mother fricker needs to fricking eat. god damn this isnt rocket science
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he doesn't have the physical structure to swing a drop 5 bat for contact with a quick compact swing
again, i didnt say an 11 year old should be swinging a drop 5. but if he is 11 and only weighs 80 lbs then the SOB should be eating. sorry you can do all the mechanics you want....at some point you dont have the arse nor the strength to hit it out the infield
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Sure he might be able to practice enough to adjust to it and have that longer swing and hit some shots to left field, but that's not how i want a kid learning how to swing when he's 11
nobody said practice having a longer swing.
I can tell you have done zero research on programs like camwood, the pro velocity bat, the driveline heavy trainers if you think they are training to have a long loopy swing. This isnt 1992 anymore, we understand the relationship that MOI has on mechanics and design the bat and the drills to make sure that you dont get long and loopy.
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Just b/c he hasn't hit puberty yet doesn't mean he's not going to play HS ball.
arent many 11 year olds that have hit puberty even on the national circuit.
it sounds like this is personal for you. if you have an 11 year old that weighs 80 lbs....get him eating and lifitng weights and yes pre-pubescent kids can lift and gain lots of strength. get him throwing med balls and get him swinging both heavy and light bats.
you can sit here and whine or you can listen to the places that are producing the best hitters, the ones that measure bat speed, acceleration, rotational acceleration, hand speed, hand cast distance, exit velo etc.
many of yall will get on here and repeat the notion that the best 12 year old aint always the best 18 year old and that is true, they arent always but most of the studs at 12...still studs in HS. The ones that arent, usually are the kids that dont want to work or prefer chasing skirt.
you can claim an 80lbs 11 year just needs to focus on mechanics all you want...but when the big field gets here you will still be saying...oh well, he just hasnt hit puberty yet. when the fact of the matter is you as the father failed to train him in skills that actually scale to the big field...things like bat speed, throwing velocity, running speed, glove work.
but for the love of god....stop saying i said an 11 year old should swing a drop 5, i didnt. I said they should train with one and I stand by that...why? because its a low hanging fruit way of increasing bat speed during the game.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 8:04 am to Revorising
As a father with a kid that dropped baseball and moved on to soccer, I swear this thread is like reading a different language
Posted on 6/17/25 at 9:03 am to CalLSU
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Yes. Make minimal contact and the ball goes over the fence.
Not if teams are playing on the proper size fields.
12u 250+
13u 300
14u High School
Homeruns are part of the game at these distances, but it's not a homerun derby. 12u is the last year of kids hitting a lot of homeruns, 13u on 300 foot fields, you don't see a lot.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 9:03 am to HuskyPanda
I feel like a lot of the absolutes being thrown around here about what a certain age should or shouldnt swing is totally dependant upon whether that kid has hair on his legs and under his arms.
Don't fret if your son who loves the game, is a good teammate, is coachable, and is decent can't swing those as stated here if he has a voice like an 8 year old. It'll come once puberty comes.
Don't fret if your son who loves the game, is a good teammate, is coachable, and is decent can't swing those as stated here if he has a voice like an 8 year old. It'll come once puberty comes.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 9:05 am to Palo Gaucho
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Not if teams are playing on the proper size fields.
12u 250+
13u 300
14u High School
Homeruns are part of the game at these distances, but it's not a homerun derby. 12u is the last year of kids hitting a lot of homeruns, 13u on 300 foot fields, you don't see a lot.
yep, hell in 12u, most fields we play on are 300, the 250 ones are 300 in center
now in places like cooperstown that is different. But there is also nothing wrong with 1 or 2 homeruns per game either. The mlb game looks like that.
imo you want the youth game to mimic the mlb game as much as possible.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 10:53 am to lsu777
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every baseball kid should be lifting in some form even at 8 years old. cant do a pullup....cant throw a baseball should be the rule, just for arm health.
So no 8 year old should play unless they can do a pullup?
What percentage of 8 year olds do you think can do a proper pullup?
Posted on 6/17/25 at 11:04 am to blueboxer1119
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So no 8 year old should play unless they can do a pullup?
What percentage of 8 year olds do you think can do a proper pullup?
with 2-4 weeks of training....90%
and if they are going to play, they need to be working towards that. you have to be able to decelerate the arm if you want to not be at risk of injury.
Posted on 6/17/25 at 5:00 pm to lsu777
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you can claim an 80lbs 11 year just needs to focus on mechanics all you want...but when the big field gets here you will still be saying...oh well, he just hasnt hit puberty yet. when the fact of the matter is you as the father failed to train him in skills that actually scale to the big field...things like bat speed, throwing velocity, running speed, glove work.
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if he is 11 and only weighs 80 lbs then the mother fricker needs to fricking eat. god damn this isnt rocket science
An 11 year old who weighs between 80-90lbs is in the 40th-60th percentile.
Look man. I agree that a kid should be practicing with a heavier bat. You don't seem to grasp that concept of how that can be pushed too far and be a detriment to a prepubescent kids mechanics in certain instances. You're worried about making a kid stronger, when what they should be more focused on is how their entire body should be used to hit certain pitches. What their hips, feet, hands, shoulders, etc should be doing to drive an inside fastball over the 3rd basemans head, or how to drive that low outside fastball into the RF gap, or how to barrel up that breaking ball and drive it back up the middle. none of that can be effectively worked on swinging too heavy of a bat. You can't teach or learn god given talents like speed and strength to an 11 year old. You can work on it all you want, and yes of course it'll help them improve but a prepubescent kids body has serious limitations of how strong they can be. It's a waste of time to work on those "skills" when you can simply wait for them to develop naturally as they get older and turn into young men. There are better skills that can be learned at that younger age that will improve as they get older with the naturally added strength.
It's no different than kids starting too early shooting on 10' for basketball. They end up throwing the ball instead of shooting it correctly and it messes up their mechanics at an early age which is extremely difficult to correct later on.
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