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re: Anyone else surprised baseball is still popular in the United States?
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:09 pm to TheOcean
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:09 pm to TheOcean
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The average Major League Baseball team rose 16% in value during the past year, to an all-time high of $605 million. In 2011, revenue (net of payments to cover stadium debt) for the league’s 30 teams climbed to an average of $212 million, a 3.4% gain over the previous season. But operating income (in the sense of earnings before non-cash charges and interest expenses) fell 13%, to an average of $14 million in part due to a 5.1% increase in player costs (including benefits and signing bonuses for amateurs), to $3.5 billion in 2011.
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Doesn't seem incorrect to me.
Not to mention the Dodgers filed bankruptcy and are still worth 1.5 billion. Give or take.
What do you think is a better indicator of baseball popularity? Owner revenues, or people tuning in to watch the game?
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Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:10 pm to bobbyray21
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Even as the World Series ratings were down, ratings for many individual teams are up- and not just the big-market teams at the top of the standings. For instance, the lowly Royals, who finished 72-90, recorded their best ratings in history. And they're not the only ones. Baseball is a regional sport, with fans supporting their team for 162 games over the course of six months. That's where the money -- and the viewership -- comes in.
And if you want to step away from TV money, attendance at Major League Baseball games is at its highest level since 2008. A total of 74.86 million fans went to big league parks this season.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:11 pm to bobbyray21
You post a graph with absolutely no background at all and offer that up as evidence.
Only two teams last year lost a % of their net worth. I would say that is far more important than average viewer ratings of the World Series.
Only two teams last year lost a % of their net worth. I would say that is far more important than average viewer ratings of the World Series.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:12 pm to tduecen
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world series ratings aren't proof.... actually financials are proof.... WS is dependent on which teams are in the WS. And graph doesn't prove your statement correct either, because in fact you are wrong and it is proven within this thread
Just as if Grizz/Raptors made the finals it would be a poorly watched series and ratings would suffer.
Giants/Tigers are great baseball stories but not going to bring in a casual fan way a Lebron Heat squad would because he is a polarizing individuals
Your "WS ratings are dependent on which teams are in the WS" argument fails miserably in view of a clear trend illustrated by the graph.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:12 pm to The Easter Bunny
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why should they shorten the season?
Because it's too damn long.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:13 pm to TheOcean
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You post a graph with absolutely no background at all and offer that up as evidence.
Background? Are you retarded? Look at the graph, it's self-explanatory.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:13 pm to tduecen
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world series ratings aren't proof.... actually financials are proof...
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:13 pm to bobbyray21
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Your "WS ratings are dependent on which teams are in the WS" argument fails miserably in view of a clear trend illustrated by the graph.
Your ignorance is entertaining. Please keep it going.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:14 pm to tduecen
quote:For popularity?
world series ratings aren't proof.... actually financials are proof
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:15 pm to bobbyray21
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Background? Are you retarded? Look at the graph, it's self-explanatory.
Based on your argument, I wouldn't be calling others retarded.
And yes, background. There are a TON of factors as to why the ratings may have decreased. You have presented none, just a graph. As if, by itself, it is indicative of something.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:16 pm to bobbyray21
How so.... Give me something other than opinion.... money is made during the season for every team. WS ratings are dependent on the teams that play, when Yankees last played that year the WS rating beat the NBA Finals rating.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:18 pm to TheOcean
Man, baseball fans get real defensive.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:19 pm to tduecen
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How so.... Give me something other than opinion.... money is made during the season for every team. WS ratings are dependent on the teams that play, when Yankees last played that year the WS rating beat the NBA Finals rating.
The numbers aren't adjusted for inflation.
Television ratings numbers are relative to population.
As such, the financial data is meaningless, and the television ratings data is about the clearest metric you can ask for.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:20 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Man, baseball fans get real defensive.
They sure do. I present factual data, and all of a sudden I'm retarded.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:20 pm to tduecen
This is all that really matters when it comes to the health of baseball:
Has Baseball's Moment Passed?
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From 2000 to 2009, the latest year for which figures are available, the number of kids aged 7 to 17 playing baseball fell 24%, according to the National Sporting Goods Association, an industry trade group. Despite growing concerns about the long-term effects of concussions, participation in youth tackle football has soared 21% over the same time span, while ice hockey jumped 38%. The Sporting Goods Manufacturing Association, another industry trade group, said baseball participation fell 12.7% for the overall population.
Has Baseball's Moment Passed?
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:20 pm to bobbyray21
[quote]The declining popularity of baseball is a very real thing.
2,423 MLB games were played last year, a significant majority being played Mondays through Fridays.
Yet almost 31 thousand fans showed, on average, for those games.
Think about that ...
One of the best parts about baseball is the fact that there is no clock. The team with the lead can't just run out a clock as in football, or use up the 24-second clock as in basketball or constantly ice the puck as in hockey to kill time.
It is also the only team sport that is rooted in head-on battles between just two individuals (pitcher & hitter) from beginning to end. The best defensive players cannot contribute unless a ball put into play is handled by them. The best offensive players cannot contribute unless they get an at-bat in any given inning.
Superstars in basketball can be on the court almost (if not all) the entire game and superstars in football can be on the field for all of their team's offensive or defensive plays.
Superstars in baseball only can help their team offensively once in every 9 team at-bats (non-pitchers) or once every five games (starting pitchers) or an inning, maybe two, at a time (relievers). Of all the major team sports, one player is least able to dominate, game in and out, in baseball, without question.
2,423 MLB games were played last year, a significant majority being played Mondays through Fridays.
Yet almost 31 thousand fans showed, on average, for those games.
Think about that ...
One of the best parts about baseball is the fact that there is no clock. The team with the lead can't just run out a clock as in football, or use up the 24-second clock as in basketball or constantly ice the puck as in hockey to kill time.
It is also the only team sport that is rooted in head-on battles between just two individuals (pitcher & hitter) from beginning to end. The best defensive players cannot contribute unless a ball put into play is handled by them. The best offensive players cannot contribute unless they get an at-bat in any given inning.
Superstars in basketball can be on the court almost (if not all) the entire game and superstars in football can be on the field for all of their team's offensive or defensive plays.
Superstars in baseball only can help their team offensively once in every 9 team at-bats (non-pitchers) or once every five games (starting pitchers) or an inning, maybe two, at a time (relievers). Of all the major team sports, one player is least able to dominate, game in and out, in baseball, without question.
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:22 pm to TheOcean
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Based on your argument, I wouldn't be calling others retarded.
And yes, background. There are a TON of factors as to why the ratings may have decreased. You have presented none, just a graph. As if, by itself, it is indicative of something.
It's indicative of decreased viewership over a 30 year timespan with a clear downward trend.
Factors that have caused the ratings to decrease: fewer people watching baseball.
Any more brainbusters for me?
Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:22 pm to Choupique19
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It will stay popular way longer than basketball. Ask any of your buddies/neighbors with kids if their boys play in a youth basketball league. Then ask them if they play youth baseball.
what a skewed a point of view.
By the way
<----- it's ironic that you use this emoticon as if to say baseball is more of the American game (when it isn't). Of all international competitions, there is no greater point of pride than Americans dominating the world in basketball.Anything less than a gold medal and we revamp the program. Posted on 4/1/13 at 3:22 pm to tduecen
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According to Maury Brown of the ‘Biz of Baseball,’ new television deals with FOX, ESPN and TBS – and a little help from the Dodgers – could shoot Major League Baseball’s revenues to upwards of $9 billion in 2014
Baseball with the new tv deals after this season will approach $9 billion in revenues next season, will hit $8 billion this season. The NFL is currently between $9-9.5 billion. The NBA is just under $5 billion and the NHL is @ $3.5 billion.
Baseball is not hurting.
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