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Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:19 am to Roger Klarvin
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He was one of three future HOFers all in their prime
Bosh, yes. Wade? Nah.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:19 am to Tarik One
Nah. I really became a huge fan of his last year in the finals.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:22 am to stevo1905
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Kobe was ready to quit on his team just before they traded for Gasol. He flatly stated he wanted to be traded. Does that bother you?
If he left, yeah that would've bothered me.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:28 am to NOLA Bronco
quote:Yea, I guess game 6 Boston(and 7), game 6 & 7 vs SAS are all just NOT examples of putting a team on your back.
LOL that is some serious revisionist nonsense.
The 30 and 28 back to back PERs in the playoffs...nope, those aren't examples either.
28/10/7 in the OKC Finals
33 and 11 in the BOS series
And so on and so forth...
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:29 am to Weagle25
So simply because things happened to work out for Kobe to where his team suddenly acquired the best PF in the league as part of the best frontcourt in the NBA, after Kobe whined and pouted saying he was "lied to" after forcing Shaq out a few years prior and was ready to give up, this makes him more likable? He was a bitch about the entire ordeal and is glorified for this behavior, yet Lebron is reviled for leaving when his team surrounded him with Larry Hughes and Mo Williams? In what world does that make sense?
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:31 am to Open Your Eyes
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honestly think that's a big part of the problem. This guy has been talked about, in the spotlight, on magazine covers, etc for 15 years now, and has never given a legitimate reason to be disliked, and people don't know how to handle that. He's not a known gambling addict, he's never been accused of rape, he's not a well-known a-hole, he doesn't have x amount of kids with y different women, etc. The worst thing people can say about him is that he announced what team he was going to play for next year on tv. And oh btw, that announcement on TV raised literally millions of dollars for charity.
You seem to be conflating character with Public Relations.
A person can have exemplary character and not make great PR choices and decisions.
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And Lebron left Cleveland because the organization refused to help him. And he took less money to do it.
Athlete A leaves one team for another because he feels it's a better chance to win a championship, and takes a paycut in the process. Athlete B leaves one team for another because the other team pays him more.
Both situations above happen all the time in every sport. 99% of the time, the first situation is thought of as more admirable than the second situation. Lebron accounts for the other 1%.
You are intentionally ignoring the 800lb gorilla of "The Decision" and the pep rally that followed. Shaq didn't go on TV and rip Orlando's heart out and he also had a legitimate grievance that Orlando fans still hold more against their owner.
Whether you think it is fair he is criticized for The Decision, he is. Heavily so. There is a reason he didn't do a sequel the other year.
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What does this mean exactly? Lebron's brand has grown in value every year, and is more valuable than ever.
Sales have remained steady on jerseys and such, sure. He traded one strong fanbase for another with higher disposable income. When it comes to approval ratings? They took a notable hit after The Decision and have never recovered. Not sure how you can be posting on the MSB and not see that lol.
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:33 am to stevo1905
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So simply because things happened to work out for Kobe to where his team suddenly acquired the best PF in the league as part of the best frontcourt in the NBA, after Kobe whined and pouted saying he was "lied to" after forcing Shaq out a few years prior and was ready to give up, this makes him more likable
You can't blame a guy for doing something he didn't do. Pretty simple. That's like putting someone in jail because they thought about stealing something.
I mean that's just common sense.
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:34 am to shel311
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Yea, I guess game 6 Boston(and 7), game 6 & 7 vs SAS are all just NOT examples of putting a team on your back.
The 30 and 28 back to back PERs in the playoffs...nope, those aren't examples either.
28/10/7 in the OKC Finals
33 and 11 in the BOS series
Typically "putting a team on your back" means you are carrying them all the way.
Bosh and Wade could stand on their own just fine. Bosh was one of if not the best interior defenders in the league. Wade was a great perimeter defender and had great performances.
Putting your team on your back would describe his first Cleveland run. To an extent last year as well. Not when you have Bosh and Wade playing and contributing at allstar and superstar levels.
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:36 am to NOLA Bronco
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You seem to be conflating character with Public Relations.
A person can have exemplary character and not make great PR choices and decisions.
but he's made very few bad PR decisions
in fact, his image is often cited as a reason to hate him. he's not "Real" enough in interviews, etc
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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his image is often cited as a reason to hate him. he's not "Real" enough in interviews, etc
You know that's a PR decision to right?
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:38 am to Boomshockalocka
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Antwan Jamison was a 21/9 player when the cavs acquired him.
Jamison was 34 years old in his 12th year in the nba when the cavs acquired him in the middle of the season. He openly considered retirement in the middle of the next season.
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Gasol, Garnett, Allen, etc are nowhere close to lebrons level.
They all left their teams to go pair with other top 10 players to try to win a championship.
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He had potential to be GOAT
He was never going to be. People were never going to let that happen. He doesn't get credit for things that other greats have gotten credit for, and he gets blamed for things no one else has ever gotten blamed for.
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he didn't have it in him to stick it out and win titles without teaming up with 2 other top 10 players.
Bird didn't have it in him to win with mchale or parish. Magic with Kareem or worthy. Jordan without pippen. Kobe without Shaq. Etc.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:44 am to RollTide1987
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I had never heard of the guy until ESPN did The Decision.
lol really?
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:49 am to NOLA Bronco
quote:I just wanted to say Bosh scored 0 points in game 7 of the NBA finals
Bosh and Wade could stand on their own just fine. Bosh was one of if not the best interior defenders in the league. Wade was a great perimeter defender and had great performances.
Putting your team on your back would describe his first Cleveland run. To an extent last year as well. Not when you have Bosh and Wade playing and contributing at allstar and superstar levels.
0 points
Game 7
NBA finals
Lebron scored 37 and said get on my mother fricking back
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:50 am to NOLA Bronco
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Bosh and Wade could stand on their own just fine. Bosh was one of if not the best interior defenders in the league. Wade was a great perimeter defender and had great performances.
how many titles do Bosh and Wade win? let's assume Bron stays in Cleveland in 2010
Posted on 6/19/16 at 11:52 am to Tarik One
I understand people who simply dislike because of his attitude, but they can still eat a fat donkey dick because he's the man
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/19/16 at 12:05 pm to lsupride87
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I just wanted to say Bosh scored 0 points in game 7 of the NBA finals
0 points
Game 7
NBA finals
Lebron scored 37 and said get on my mother fricking back
Are we talking about "carrying teams" still, which implies a long term elevating of an entire team or just cherry picking individual games now?
The thing with Bosh always was that he was so effective in a way someone like Love isnt, because he was their interior anchor defensively. He was probably the best big man pick and roll defender in the league during their run. Unlike Love, Bosh could be a big contributor without scoring a single bucket.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 12:08 pm to chalmetteowl
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how many titles do Bosh and Wade win? let's assume Bron stays in Cleveland in 2010
There is a ridiculously large gap between being the best player on a team of great players, who's addition can put them over the top, to carrying a team.
The latter implies something like Cleveland's first run. Its not how you describe the Miami run. Some of you really are making me wonder if you just started watching basketball this season?
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/19/16 at 12:10 pm to NOLA Bronco
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You seem to be conflating character with Public Relations.
No, I'm equating image with public relations. But you seem to be confusing image with character.
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person can have exemplary character and not make great PR choices and decisions.
People are going to see what they want to see. People hated Lebron before the decision. See a previous post in this thread documenting all the 'not clutch, not a leader, will never win a championship' nonsense. Those people still hated him after the decision.
The vast majority of people that hated him after the decision, as evidenced once again by this thread, hate him because they apply rules to him that are never applied to anyone else in any sport, i.e., he didn't stay in Cleveland and win a championship by himself, because his front office wouldn't get him any help.
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You are intentionally ignoring the 800lb gorilla of "The Decision" and the pep rally that followed.
Im not ignoring anything, I just don't view it as a big deal. A player announced where he would be signing as a free agent on tv. So what? And granted, I haven't seen it again since it happened and have no intention to, but I don't recall it being an hour of propping himself up and bashing the city of Cleveland like you are implying.
And you are intentionally ignoring the $6 million that was donated to charities that resulted from this thing, including $2.5 million to the boys and girls club where it was held.
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Whether you think it is fair he is criticized for The Decision, he is. Heavily so. There is a reason he didn't do a sequel the other year.
My interest is why he is criticized. As I said, I think it's because people are scratching to find SOMETHING to be be critical of him for, because there is almost literally nothing else. ESPECIALLY off the court.
And yes, there is a reason he didn't go a sequel. But you don't know what the reason is.
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Sales have remained steady on jerseys and such, sure. He traded one strong fanbase for another with higher disposable income. When it comes to approval ratings? They took a notable hit after The Decision and have never recovered.
Nike, the largest athletic shoe and apparel company in the world, just gave him the largest contract guarantee in their company's history. Yes, bigger than Michael Jordan's. Bigger than cristiano Ronaldo. Bigger than tiger woods.
I suggest you go read into his other business dealings off the court. After you do that, step back and ask yourself, would these companies be investing this much money in this person if his "approval ratings" were as bad as im pretending they are?
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Not sure how you can be posting on the MSB and not see that lol.
I don't know. I guess the same way how you can be ousting on the msb and think calling out draymond green is the same thing as calling out Lebron James.
Posted on 6/19/16 at 12:37 pm to NOLA Bronco
quote:That's kinda what Lebron did.
Typically "putting a team on your back" means you are carrying them all the way.
quote:So MJ and Magic Johnson never put a team on their back then, based on your logic. They both played with guys capable of standing on their own, so they didn't put anyone on their back. If that's your logic, ok. I disagree, but ok.
Bosh and Wade could stand on their own just fine. Bosh was one of if not the best interior defenders in the league. Wade was a great perimeter defender and had great performances.
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