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re: Anthony Edwards: Outside of Jordan, nobody in the NBA had any skills until Kobe came along
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:34 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:34 pm to PrimeTime Money
“big men on offense had a lot easier time than they do now.”
In some ways yes, bigs aren’t even allowed to turn in the post without a ref blowing an offensive foul call on them now a days. It’s amazing to me that people who claim to be so informed on all eras can’t see the designed manipulations in the modern NBA.
In some ways yes, bigs aren’t even allowed to turn in the post without a ref blowing an offensive foul call on them now a days. It’s amazing to me that people who claim to be so informed on all eras can’t see the designed manipulations in the modern NBA.
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:41 pm to Madking
No. Under the current rules, if Luc Longley went out the 3-point line, Greg Ostertag wouldn’t follow him out there. He’s not a shooting threat. He’d stay around the paint to deter drives.
Under the 90’s rules, Luc Longley could force Greg Ostertag completely away from the basket by standing behind the 3-point line.
This allows an isolating player like Jordan or Barkley to have more space to work with.
And as for my point about big men having it easier, they also could iso. If you doubled them, you had to send a hard double. You couldn’t play in space and muck things up for the big man like you can today.
Under the 90’s rules, Luc Longley could force Greg Ostertag completely away from the basket by standing behind the 3-point line.
This allows an isolating player like Jordan or Barkley to have more space to work with.
And as for my point about big men having it easier, they also could iso. If you doubled them, you had to send a hard double. You couldn’t play in space and muck things up for the big man like you can today.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:47 pm to PrimeTime Money
No he couldn’t, your concept of space is faulty. Consider your example, Longley stands at the 3, 22+ feet away, Ostertag can play him 6-7 feet away, be 15 feet from the basket and be in easy position to help on the block. These players aren’t as slow as they are on your video games, in real life they moved quite well.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:57 pm to Madking
Big men got beat to the basket all the time under the old rules. They were artificially pushed further out than they otherwise would have been if the rule didn’t exist.
The rules were artificial constraints on the defense. Period.
The rules were artificial constraints on the defense. Period.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:57 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
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And good luck to them trying to stop KD, Steph, Lebron.
Yeah, I'll take some of the best defenders to ever play to try and do that (the glove, a healthy Grant Hill, Pippen). Who's going to stop David Robinson from scoring 75?
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:59 pm to therick711
quote:Why couldn’t Joel Embiid who is 7 foot 265 lbs and a fantastic defender?
Who's going to stop David Robinson from scoring 75?
Hell Lebron can help when needed. He locked down Jokic when needed
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:02 pm to PrimeTime Money
Your argument is that one is better than the other. Mine is that they were different and better is relative although it was more popular back then. Now that could be peripheral factors like Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq and Duncan’s personalities appealed to more people. It could be that appointment TV and over saturating lended itself to people watching more stuff like this back then but that’s a different topic. What your theories are wrong about is what players couldn’t do and why certain types were valued back then. For example, take a Robert Horry and let him hoist up 5-10 threes per game, would his numbers be better now than players who were better than him in other ways back then? Of course they would. Would we remember him differently? No we wouldn’t.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:03 pm to Bench McElroy
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I didn't watch it back in the day so I can't speak on it.
And yet he did.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:04 pm to lsupride87
Embiid is way too slow to stop Robinson. He’s great player so I’m sure it would be a great matchup but Robinson foot speed is far beyond anything Embiid sees from a 7 footer today.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:13 pm to Madking
I think Embiid could guard him for spurts. The problem is who guards Hakeem and Shaq (who spell the Admiral) if Embiid is tired or in foul trouble.
David Robinson in 95-96 was at the height of his career. He was an efficient scoring machine and a great defender. His contemporaries who are on the 96 team struggled with him. It's why he is one of the all time greats.
David Robinson in 95-96 was at the height of his career. He was an efficient scoring machine and a great defender. His contemporaries who are on the 96 team struggled with him. It's why he is one of the all time greats.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:14 pm to therick711
You going to out Shaq, Hakeem, and Robinson on the floor at all times?
Curry and Durant will feast like kings
Those guys literally would not know how to guard the perimeter
Curry and Durant will feast like kings
Those guys literally would not know how to guard the perimeter
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
Let's calm down on that. 24 team let France play essentially one guard and a center and needed a Curry flamethrower game to beat them. Jokic played as much as needed. They didn't drive bigs off the floor as you assume they did. 96 has plenty of combo defenders to round out any lineup. Pre-injury Penny, Pre-injury Grant Hill, Pippen, Barkley, and Reggie Miller give an awful lot of options on the floor.
Are you really saying that there is no place for David Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq in the modern international game? That's, frankly, preposterous.
Are you really saying that there is no place for David Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq in the modern international game? That's, frankly, preposterous.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:37 pm to therick711
quote:Hyperbole. They were winning before Curry hit hi/ heat check shots
needed a Curry flamethrower game to beat them
quote:Of course there is. But if you put them out there from their prime in 1996 they would get wrecked defensively before adjusting to the modern game
Are you really saying that there is no place for David Robinson, Hakeem, and Shaq in the modern international game? That's, frankly, preposterous.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:38 pm to lsupride87
He had an entire heat check game, which he does. He's a great player. He hit 8 of 13 threes. Great performance. Name a guard on France's team, though.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:39 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Yeah, it’s awesome now lol
The NBA was pretty shitty in the 80s and 90s if we are just being honest
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:41 pm to therick711
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He had an entire heat check game,
Until the last 3 minutes he was 4 for 10 with 5 turnovers Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:46 pm to lsupride87
40% from 3 is still scorching, even if we've come to expect that from Steph.
You're treating three legendary centers as if they are Ostertag, Bradley, and Dudley.
You're treating three legendary centers as if they are Ostertag, Bradley, and Dudley.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:48 pm to therick711
quote:League average last year was 37% with 35 attempts per game. Guess you think modern basketball is pretty elite
40% from 3 is still scorching
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:50 pm to lsupride87
You're taking other arguments to me for some reason. I've been clear I enjoy the modern game. Doesn't change the fact that it developed because there are way more 6'6" athletes than 7 footers with skills like Robinson, Olajuwon, and Shaq.
Also, 35 attempts? Not sure about that threshold. I'm sure it's still around that number with more attempts, but it's an 82 game season and we're counting people who average 0.42 attempts a game?
Straight up all makes to all attempts yields a 35% average last season, just as another data point.
Also, 35 attempts? Not sure about that threshold. I'm sure it's still around that number with more attempts, but it's an 82 game season and we're counting people who average 0.42 attempts a game?
Straight up all makes to all attempts yields a 35% average last season, just as another data point.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:57 pm to therick711
5 pages in and no Jordan Meme of "And I took that personal"?
This site is losing its luster.
This site is losing its luster.
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