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re: All hail LeGOAT

Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:43 pm to
Bro, the West sucks
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:45 pm to
I challenge you to Post the combined winning %s of the squads each player has had clutch minutes against.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

Boom is so worried Harden won’t win mvp lol
I would be too.

He's clearly an MVP type player and in tier 1 of his peers and basketball players in this era. He'll win an MVP and will deserve it when he does.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:49 pm to
It doesn't matter who it comes against.

You always argue that Lebron is scared of the West while he literally destroys the warriors every year.

You don't care about his stats agaisnt the warriors.

So I don't care about the competition in his clutch moments this year.

I also don't care about clutch moments, for the most part. So idk how you lured me into making this post

ETA: My man, show me one time I've ever argued the Lebron is better and attributed it to his clutchness lol
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:49 pm to
It really is incredible what Lebron is doing at his age still. And is even more incredible how healthy he has been his whole career, and playing at such insane mins. For someone his size to go so hard night end and night out for 15yrs straight is just insane. Everyone takes him for granted because what he does is now the norm for him, he will not be really appreciated until he is gone.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:52 pm to
Was mostly posting to other guy. Sorry Lebron don’t get credit for beating up on the crappiest teams in the league late in games while harden is beating the same teams so bad that there are no clutch minutes.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:53 pm to
That's why you won't see me using that shite in a debate
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:54 pm to
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He might be the greatest leader this league has ever seen.

Instead of showing his arse because teammates aren't as good as him or don't care as much as him(which retards praise Kobe and MJ for), Lebron changes his own game to get everything out of teammates.

There is ZERO doubt in my mind, that if a draft of every player ever were to occur, and this draft was replicated in every single era ever, with every single GM ever...

Lebron James would be the first pick.


You aren't gonna get any argument from me about that, I've always maintained that, in the history of professional basketball, the greatest LEADERS that accurately represent the term's definition are Russell, Larry Bird, Magic, Isiah and LeGOAT. It's so evident and obvious when you watched them play and interact with their teammates as well as setting the tone, and they were team-first guys: they weren't about the gaudy numbers and being maniacal assholes it was all about "how do WE win this game and championship?" and they did it consistently basically throughout their entire careers.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:48 pm to
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Lebron playing clutch time minutes v the dregs of the league. Terrible teams. Only teams keeping it close with harden are average at worst. Same line of thinking for why players stats are worse in the playoffs. The competition is better.

Kings
Hawks
Nets
Mavs

Etc
Etc

Harden is already on the bench and Houston has emptied the bench v those kinda teams.

I can't find the exact minute by minute data, but Lebron recorded 95 FGAs, RBs, and ASTs in the last 5 minutes or overtime according to basketball reference.

If you take the percentage of those events and multiply by the net ratings adjusted according to basketball reference and sum them all up, then Lebron played against teams with an average net rating of -0.73 in the clutch, a little worse than average.

Below are the data I quickly pulled.




Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31905 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

I don’t like Lebron whatsoever but he’s unbelievably good at basketball. The only knock against him for the first half of his career was that he was an average three point shooter. He became a solid shooter at Miami and now he’s a great shooter. It’s just unfair at this point.



Was never a lebron-defender myself, but you have to appreciate his game. There won't be another LeBron for a long time. Giannis was the guy who could be, but he's still far from a facilitator or defender that LeBron is.

If you look at LeBron today and ask, "what is the weakest part of his game" you'd probably say free throws. Even there he's improved compared to his previous years.

He's a better rebounder than players his size/height
He's a better point than most players
He's a better finisher at the rim than most players
He's a better shooter thus far into the season
He's a better defender than most players

He truly has no "weakness"
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:52 pm to
Boom reminds me of oweo with his thread hijack insecurity

"but, but, but Harden guys, look at me!!!"

i
Posted by MidnightVibe
Member since Feb 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:00 pm to
quote:

There is ZERO doubt in my mind, that if a draft of every player ever were to occur, and this draft was replicated in every single era ever, with every single GM ever...

Lebron James would be the first pick


Good take. I think I agree.
Posted by Vanilla Ice
2018 Saints Talk Poster of the Year
Member since Apr 2013
5455 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:25 pm to
Lebron sucks

Quit on his team TWICE.

Will do it a 3rd time this offseason

L-O-S-E-R
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88778 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:22 am to
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Sorry Lebron don’t get credit for beating up on the crappiest teams in the league
Y'all better pick it up in the West ya losers.

Y'all are so bad
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31792 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:31 am to
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his is all in his 15th year. He's not human


It’s crazy to me that he’s in his 15tg year. It doesn’t seem like that long.
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15631 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:12 am to
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Lebron sucks

Quit on his team TWICE.

Will do it a 3rd time this offseason

L-O-S-E-R


Stick to the PT board Trumpkin.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:29 am to
A little better than expected, but nothing I would say is surprising at this point in the season.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60150 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:49 am to
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No Magic in here???


Read what he said - evolve at this age/stage of career.

The only thing Magic has evolved at this point was a case of the AIDS
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171955 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:03 am to
Steroids are great things.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
25017 posts
Posted on 12/14/17 at 8:20 am to
He's a top 5 player of all time and his ability to stay healthy is second to none in probably the history of the game.

He has done a better job of not playing every game throughout his career, which has extended it. He doesn't ever get the wear and tear on his body.

Guys in the 90s played every day, so they didn't ever take time to recover (I'm not saying one way or the other is right, but I think there are stats saying Jordan only played less than 80 games like 3 times in his career and Lebron has only played 80 like 3 years not exact but somethign like that)
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