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re: A look back on 2019 lsu vs 2001 Miami and 1995 Nebraska

Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:50 pm to
Posted by Nutriaitch
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:50 pm to
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Y'all overrate the hell out of "90s rules". There were finesse/passing teams back then, too.


and Nebraska kicked the shite out of them.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:15 pm to
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ESPN


As opposed to some random fan on a message board.

Anyways...in regards to 1995 Nebraska - I still think they are tGOAT college team of all-time. 2019 LSU's schedule was pretty arduous and much needs to be said about going undefeated with a schedule like that. However, LSU wasn't THAT dominant in 2019. At least not compared to 1995 Nebraska. We're talking about an offense that ran the option out of the I-formation and put up over 53 points per game while doing it. They played four teams that finished in the Top 10 and beat them by an average score of 49-18.

The team they beat in the national championship game - the Florida Gators - was almost just as dominant in the regular season as Nebraska was. Nebraska crushed them out in Tempe by the score of 62-24. The team that finished third that year - Tennessee - lost only one game and that game was to Florida (by the score of 62-37). There was absolutely no team in college football that year that was anywhere close to the same level as Nebraska.
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:19 pm to
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If you plays by the 90s rules, Nebraska smokes LSU.

No one is smoking 2019 LSU.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:21 pm to
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As opposed to some random fan on a message board.


That's pretty much the only place I've ever seen 20 Bama rated higher than 19 LSU, feel free to Google to verify.
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There was absolutely no team in college football that year that was anywhere close to the same level as Nebraska.


What team do you think was close to 19 LSU? The Bama insecurity about this team is just hilarious.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 12:45 am to
I think the Cincy Super Bowl run has to make you re-evaluate just how good LSU was in 2019. Burrow got that team there with Chase, with a #2 WR not as good as Jefferson, with a below-average OLine (meanwhile 3 LSU Oline guys are now starters in the league).

I think Bama 2020 was a great team. But simply put, Mac Jones is not Joe Burrow. And it's becoming apparent, those Bama receivers are just not quite as good as Chase and Jefferson.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:08 am to
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1991 Washington (they shared a title, but I'd like to see the numbers nerds do a dive on them); (b) Penn State 1994 (most balanced offensive machine I have ever seen



Best teams I've seen...

In no order...Top 5

1991 Washington
2004 USC
1995 Nebraska
1994 Penn State
2019 LSU

Posted by TideSaint
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 1:42 am to
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That's pretty much the only place I've ever seen 20 Bama rated higher than 19 LSU, feel free to Google to verify.


I guess you just skipped over my first post in this thread.

Here it is again:

Yardbarker
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 6:56 am to
For every one you post there are 10 with 19 LSU ranked better. It's an outlier opinion. Restricted attendance. Teams with players skipping the year or out due to covid. No OOC games. It's a joke

The only reason anyone at all even mentions 2020 at all is the same reason y'all got a do over in 2011 with a garbage resume relative to OSU.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:02 am to
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and Nebraska kicked the shite out of them.

You're conflating Nebraska with the general defensive style/schemes.

Kentucky tore up the SEC in 96-97 with a finesse passing game. That was immediately after Nebraska's 1995 dominance. People talk about defenses in those days being so rough that it would be impossible to have a major passing attack and there were literally major conference passing attacks in that era.

How did Leach do it? He followed up that stint at UK by repeating success at OU and TTU. He continued the dominance before targeting rules. In fact, I think his highest outputs at QB came before targeting was a rule.

Those offenses were simplistic proto-offenses of today. Why would LSU 2019 (or Bama 2020, etc.) have anyissues with a defensive scheme from 1995?
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:52 am to
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Burrow got that team there with Chase, with a #2 WR not as good as Jefferson, with a below-average OLine (meanwhile 3 LSU Oline guys are now starters in the league).


The kicker got them to the Super Bowl.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:54 am to
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The kicker got them to the Super Bowl.


Kicker can't kick if the QB doesn't get you in position to kick the game winner. We really trying to downplay what Burrow did lat year?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:07 am to
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What team do you think was close to 19 LSU?


I mean...Texas gave LSU a run for their money, Florida gave LSU a run for their money, Auburn gave LSU a run for their money, and Alabama gave LSU a run for their money.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:11 am to
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I mean...Texas gave LSU a run for their money, Florida gave LSU a run for their money, Auburn gave LSU a run for their money, and Alabama gave LSU a run for their money.




None ever had possession with a chance to take the lead This thread may have permanently swayed me to never give Bama an ounce of credit again. Yall are insufferable when someone other than yall does something.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:20 am to
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Kentucky tore up the SEC in 96-97 with a finesse passing game.


Their game vs Tennessee between Tim Couch and Peyton Manning was epic. I think it was over 1200 yards passing between the two.
Posted by boston vol
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:32 am to
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I think it was over 1200 yards passing between the two.

999 yards combined
Posted by boston vol
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:34 am to
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Kentucky tore up the SEC in 96-97 with a finesse passing game.

It was 97-98. Bill Curry was still running the option in 1996. They hired Mumme/Leach following the ‘96 season.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 8:41 am to
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I think the Cincy Super Bowl run has to make you re-evaluate just how good LSU was in 2019. Burrow got that team there with Chase, with a #2 WR not as good as Jefferson, with a below-average OLine (meanwhile 3 LSU Oline guys are now starters in the league).


Cincy's Defense and Special teams unit was more important in that super bowl run. The most points they gave up was 24 to Kansas City. McPherson scored 48 of the Bengals 92 2021 playoff points.

Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:24 am to
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You're conflating Nebraska with the general defensive style/schemes.


we're discussing 1995 Nebraska specifically.


quote:

Kentucky tore up the SEC in 96-97 with a finesse passing game



1996 Kentucky averaged 12 points per game.
you probably thinking more 98-ish which was a very good Kentucky offense (Tim Couch last season)


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People talk about defenses in those days being so rough that it would be impossible to have a major passing attack



that's not even close to what I was saying.
i even said LSU would win the game.


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there were literally major conference passing attacks in that era.


yeah, and the Nebraska team we are discussing played against 2 of them.
Florida, who was THE offense of the mid-90s and Colorado who was a top 10 passing offense as well.

beat both by 3+ TDs.
held both to their lowest point totals of the season.
both teams need non-offensive TDs to even get over 20 pts.


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Why would LSU 2019 (or Bama 2020, etc.) have any issues with a defensive scheme from 1995?


it's not the SCHEME
it's the RULES

what RULES do they play under?


can Nebraska mug and molest the receivers whole way down the field that was mostly ignored by refs in mid 90s?
can they drill Joe 2-3 steps AFTER he releases the ball like was much more frequent in mid 90s?
can they smoke a WR on a crossing route without so much as a flag like was prevalent in mid 90s?
can an O-Lineman go downfield and clean a DBs clock (not involved in the tackle) like was perfectly legal in the mid 90s?

if so, the game just became slower, a lot more physical, and lower scoring.
LSU still wins, but will be a battle to do so.


if all of the above are called by today's standards, game wouldn't even be close. LSU would simply run away with it



Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:30 am to
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But simply put, Mac Jones is not Joe Burrow. And it's becoming apparent, those Bama receivers are just not quite as good as Chase and Jefferson.


Im excited to see what Waddle outside the confines of the Mickey Mouse shite they were running last year

GOAT arguments in sports are so played out at this point. Still I will fight you tooth and nail that 2020 Bama, by far Saban’s best team, is among the 4 or 5 best playoff/BCS era champions
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:44 am to
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